Scientific Notation Anomaly Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the treatment of significant digits when converting whole numbers, particularly multiples of powers of 10, into scientific notation. Participants explore the implications of significant figures in measurements and the lack of standardized methods for determining the appropriate number of significant digits without additional context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the number of significant digits should reflect the accuracy of the measurement, suggesting that trailing zeros may not be considered significant without context.
  • Others argue that there is no standardized method to determine significant digits for whole numbers that are multiples of powers of 10 without additional information.
  • A participant mentions that context is crucial for determining the precision of a number, implying that a number alone cannot convey its accuracy.
  • One participant provides an example of how significant figures are represented in practice, such as writing a 1000 Ohm resistor as 1.00 kOhm to indicate precision.
  • There is a suggestion that the resolution of the measuring instrument can inform the number of significant figures, but this is contingent on the context of the measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that context is essential for determining significant digits, but there is no consensus on a standardized method for conversion without additional information. Multiple competing views remain regarding how to handle trailing zeros and significant figures.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in determining significant digits due to the absence of context, which affects the interpretation of numbers as they relate to measurement accuracy.

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This question has to do with some annoying anomaly when expressing in scientific notation whole numbers that are multiples of powers of 10. For instance, 2000 is usually written in scientific notation as 2x10^3, implying that the original number has 1 significant digit. On the other hand, 2025 would become 2.025x10^3, with 4 significant digits.
Now, consider the scenario in which these two results came from a real estate appraiser measuring two rectangular houses, with exterior dimensions 50'x40' and 45'x45' respectively, using the same tape measure. How can we explain this (factually unjustified) disparity in presuming the number of significant digits? Could it be the case that we are generally suspect of trailing zeros, perhaps stemming from some subconscious probability estimation? Is there such thing as a "standards" document governing translation from decimal notation to scientific notation, or are we at the whim of the individual mathematician or scientist's authority we happen to run into? Please help clarify this phenomenon from the scientist's perspective.
 
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You pretty much just use however many digits are necessary for the required accuracy of the answer.
 
John Lee said:
This question has to do with some annoying anomaly when expressing in scientific notation whole numbers that are multiples of powers of 10. For instance, 2000 is usually written in scientific notation as 2x10^3, implying that the original number has 1 significant digit. On the other hand, 2025 would become 2.025x10^3, with 4 significant digits.
Now, consider the scenario in which these two results came from a real estate appraiser measuring two rectangular houses, with exterior dimensions 50'x40' and 45'x45' respectively, using the same tape measure. How can we explain this (factually unjustified) disparity in presuming the number of significant digits? Could it be the case that we are generally suspect of trailing zeros, perhaps stemming from some subconscious probability estimation? Is there such thing as a "standards" document governing translation from decimal notation to scientific notation, or are we at the whim of the individual mathematician or scientist's authority we happen to run into? Please help clarify this phenomenon from the scientist's perspective.

Welcome to the PF. If they are significant digits with respect to the accuracy of the measurement, you write them out. Like, a 1% 1000 Ohm resistor is written as 1.00kOhm. Do not leave off zeros if they are significant to the accuracy of the measurement.

Note -- Excel may not cooperate when you try to do this, BTW. Thank BillG for that, or at least for propagating that.
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF. If they are significant digits with respect to the accuracy of the measurement, you write them out. Like, a 1% 1000 Ohm resistor is written as 1.00kOhm. Do not leave off zeros if they are significant to the accuracy of the measurement.

Note -- Excel may not cooperate when you try to do this, BTW. Thank BillG for that, or at least for propagating that.

Thank you! May be I didn't present the question clearly enough. The point of the question is: Is there a reasoned method to decide how may significant digits to show when one is asked to convert a number from its decimal representation to scientific notation WITHOUT being given any further information, when the number is a whole number which happens to be a multiple of powers of 10? Or do we declare the request unsatisfiable because of the lack of accompanying information (e.g. context)?
 
John Lee said:
WITHOUT being given any further information,

That kind of data is better left entirely to context. A number should not comment on its own accuracy. If you're doing an experiment, you mention how you measured (which will in turn suggest the precision). If you're using excell, you make an additional field which lists the precision of the first.
 
John Lee said:
Is there a reasoned method to decide how may significant digits to show when one is asked to convert a number from its decimal representation to scientific notation WITHOUT being given any further information, when the number is a whole number which happens to be a multiple of powers of 10?

No. There is no way, without further information, to decide whether 20000 should be written as [itex]2 \times 10^4[/itex] (one significant figure) or [itex]2.0 \times 10^4[/itex] (two significant figures) or [itex]2.00 \times 10^4[/itex] (three significant figures), etc.

Of course, if you got the number by reading from a scale of some kind, then the resolution of the scale should give you an idea of the number of significant figures.
 

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