Short Vol ETFs wiped out today (investments)

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The discussion revolves around the implications and consequences of investing in short volatility ETFs, particularly in light of significant market movements. Participants explore the risks associated with these financial instruments, their role in investment strategies, and the experiences of retail investors in volatile markets.

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  • Some participants highlight the catastrophic losses associated with short volatility ETFs like XIV, which faced a significant spike in volatility leading to potential liquidation.
  • Others suggest that if XIV was part of a well-structured risk management strategy, the losses could be viewed as an expected outcome rather than a failure.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of investing versus gambling, with some arguing that unsophisticated retail investors should not engage with complex derivatives.
  • One participant presents a hypothetical scenario illustrating how diversification can lead to returns, suggesting that short volatility positions can be part of a broader strategy.
  • Another participant counters this by explaining the mechanics of long and short volatility positions, emphasizing the risks and the lack of guaranteed returns in such strategies.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumption that diversification returns can be achieved through short volatility positions, with a focus on the zero-sum nature of volatility as a derivative.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the appropriateness of short volatility ETFs in investment strategies. While some see potential value in risk management applications, others strongly contest the viability and safety of such investments for unsophisticated investors.

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Participants note various assumptions about market behavior, the nature of derivatives, and the effectiveness of risk management strategies, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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https://www.thebeartrapsreport.com/blog/2018/02/05/the-mechanics-of-the-short-volatility-explosion/

Hope none of you all were playing around with these. XIV had a 5 year annualized return of 43% as of year-end and about $2 billion in assets but is likely a complete wipeout. When you are 100% short something that goes up 115% in one day, the results are not good. The day’s return on XIV only shows a 14% decline but the fund will likley be liquidated tomorrow at a complete loss. The fund shorted volatility, which is kind of like selling hurricane insurance - you can make good money as long as there is not a storm
 
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Well, I guess some people are learning that when you gamble, you sometimes lose.
 
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Well, if XIV is part of a carefully-thought out risk-management strategy, the fact that one component has essentially "railed" should be no big deal. More of a feature than a bug.

If on the other hand, it was purchased speculatively, sometimes when you gamble, you lose. No sympathy here.

PS I see phyzguy beat me to it.
 
BWV said:
I have some empathy for any unsophisticated retail investors who were in these

Why? If you are an unsophisticated retail investor, why are you buying a derivative of a derivative? I would argue that in this case, you're not investing. You're just gambling.
 
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Why? If you are an unsophisticated retail investor, why are you buying a derivative of a derivative?

Barring the case where the unsophisticated investor is there purely based on advice of an 'adviser' I completely agree. In general they have zero business being anywhere near plain vanilla derivatives let alone something like this. (There are a lot of agency problems on the "advice" side but that's a different thread.)
 
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what, you don't have any empathy for this guy?

No more and no less than someone who bought a winning lottery ticket. (And he made millions, so it's not clear why I should be empathic towards him)
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
(And he made millions, so it's not clear why I should be empathic towards him)

I was kidding
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Well, if XIV is part of a carefully-thought out risk-management strategy

Elsewhere I was asked "how can this be?"

Here's how. Suppose you had two stocks, A and B, and you expect them to move in opposite directions. Say they each cost $100/share and you have 100 shares each. You want to keep half your money in one and half in the other. The next say, A moves to $101 and B to $99. So you sell 1 share of A and buy 1.01 shares of B with that money, and you're now at 50-50 again. The next day, they both move back to $100, and your portfolio is now worth $20,001. This dollar you just made is called diversification return.

It should be obvious that the more volatile the market is, the more the diversification return will be. It's as if you had a small investment in VIX. If that feature is undesirable, you can counteract or "hedge" it by investing in XIV (or instruments with similar behavior like SVXY). That will give you more stability in your portfolio's values, with lower highs and higher lows.
 
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Except it doesn’t work like that. A long vol position requires a long option position and assuming theta (the time decay that causes option prIces to decline as maturity approaches). This, simplistically, is why the long vol etfs have lost 90% of their value in the four of five years since they were launched. The short vol etfs are selling options so they make money from theta except when vol spikes, increasing the value of the short option position. There is no free lunch - in an reasonably efficient market no portfolio hedging scheme should give you a better payoff than some combination of stocks and cash. Negative correlation to the market must also mean a negative expected return so that any derivative position gives you no more expected value than ‘stocks plus cash’ portfolio. If this was not the case, there would be riskless arbitrage opportunities, and in finance the absence of arbitrage is the equivalent of the conservation of energy - i.e. any free lunch investment scheme is as credible as a perpetual motion machine
 
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I don't think I ever said XIV is a free lunch. If you mean diversification return, that's a real thing. See https://arxiv.org/abs/1109.1256 But it's not necessary to my argument that this be an effective strategy. My point is that people do diversify and rebalance their portfolios and in doing so effectively invest in volatility. If this is undesirable, they can add some "amti-volitility" to the mix.
 
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Except that vol is not an asset, it is a zero sum derivative position. There is a short vol risk premium because of the desirability of long vol as a portfolio hedge, i.e. the fact that losses in short vol are correlated with negative market returns. The net of short and long vol is of course zero.
 

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