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The discussion revolves around the problem of showing that 13 is the largest prime that can divide two successive integers of the form \( n^2 + 3 \). The subject area includes number theory and properties of prime numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the implications of prime divisors of the expressions \( n^2 + 3 \) and \( (n+1)^2 + 3 \). There are attempts to derive relationships between these expressions and the prime divisor \( p \). Some participants question the validity of specific assumptions and the reasoning behind the choice of coefficients in the expressions used.

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The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided alternative problems and insights into the nature of common divisors, while others have pointed out potential errors in reasoning. There is no explicit consensus on the proof's validity, and participants are actively questioning the assumptions made.

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Some participants note that the assumption of \( p \) being prime may not be necessary, and there are discussions about the uniqueness of the divisor. The constraints of the original problem and the nature of the integers involved are also under examination.

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Homework Statement
Show that ## 13 ## is the largest prime that can divide two successive integers of the form ## n^{2}+3 ##.
Relevant Equations
None.
Proof:

Let ## p ## be the prime divisor of two successive integers ## n^2+3 ## and ## (n+1)^2+3 ##.
Then ## p\mid [(n+1)^2+3-(n^2+3)]\implies p\mid 2n+1 ##.
Since ## p\mid n^2+3 ## and ## p\mid 2n+1 ##,
it follows that ## p\mid a(n^2+3)+b(2n+1) ## for some ## a,b\in\mathbb{Z} ##.
Suppose ## a=4 ## and ## b=-2n ##.
Then ## p\mid 4(n^2+3)-2n(2n+1)\implies p\mid 12-2n ##.
Note that ## p\mid (12-2n)+(2n+1)\implies p\mid 13 ##.
Thus ## p\leq 13 ##.
Therefore, ## 13 ## is the largest prime that can divide two successive integers of the form ## n^2+3 ##.
 
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Math100 said:
Proof:
Let ## p ## be the prime divisor of two successive integers ## n^2+3 ## and ## (n+1)^2+3 ##.
Then ## p\mid [(n+1)^2+3-(n^2+3)]\implies p\mid 2n+1 ##.
Since ## p\mid n^2+3 ## and ## p\mid 2n+1 ##,
it follows that ## p\mid a(n^2+3)+b(2n+1) ## for some ## a,b\in\mathbb{Z} ##.

Suppose ## a=4 ## and ## b=-2n ##.

Just because ## p\mid a(n^2+3)+b(2n+1) ## for some ## a,b\in\mathbb{Z} ## doesn't mean that this statement is true for specifically chosen pairs of values of a and b. This is the same kind of mistake you made in your previous thread.
Math100 said:
Then ## p\mid 4(n^2+3)-2n(2n+1)\implies p\mid 12-2n ##.
Note that ## p\mid (12-2n)+(2n+1)\implies p\mid 13 ##.
Thus ## p\leq 13 ##.
Therefore, ## 13 ## is the largest prime that can divide two successive integers of the form ## n^2+3 ##.
 
Math100 said:
Homework Statement:: Show that ## 13 ## is the largest prime that can divide two successive integers of the form ## n^{2}+3 ##.
Relevant Equations:: None.

Proof:

Let ## p ## be the prime divisor of two successive integers ## n^2+3 ## and ## (n+1)^2+3 ##.
Then ## p\mid [(n+1)^2+3-(n^2+3)]\implies p\mid 2n+1 ##.
Since ## p\mid n^2+3 ## and ## p\mid 2n+1 ##,
it follows that ## p\mid a(n^2+3)+b(2n+1) ## for some ## a,b\in\mathbb{Z} ##.
... it follows that ## p\mid a(n^2+3)+b(2n+1) ## for all ## a,b\in\mathbb{Z} ## ...
Math100 said:
Suppose ## a=4 ## and ## b=-2n ##.
Then ## p\mid 4(n^2+3)-2n(2n+1)\implies p\mid 12-2n ##.
Note that ## p\mid (12-2n)+(2n+1)\implies p\mid 13 ##.
Thus ## p\leq 13 ##.
Therefore, ## 13 ## is the largest prime that can divide two successive integers of the form ## n^2+3 ##.

Nice proof, except for the minor wording error. With ##b=-2n+1## you can save a step.
 
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Why no larger than 13? Why not only 13?
 
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Here's a better problem. Suppose ##p## divides ##n^2 + a## and ##(n+1)^2 + a##, show that ##p## divides ##4a + 1##. And that ##n = kp + 2a##, for ##k = \dots -1, 0, 1, 2, \dots##.

E.g. with ##a = 3##, ##p = 13## and ##n = 6, 19, 32 \dots##.
 
Let ## p ## be a prime divisor of two successive integers ## n^2+3 ## and ## (n+1)^2+3 ##.

The word "the" assumes that there is only one. You won't know there is only one until you prove that it is 13.
 
PeroK said:
Why no larger than 13? Why not only 13?
The assumption that p was prime wasn't needed. The only positive integers that can be common divisors of ##n^2+3## and ##(n+1)^2 + 3## are 13 and 1.
 
PeroK said:
Here's a better problem. Suppose ##p## divides ##n^2 + a## and ##(n+1)^2 + a##, show that ##p## divides ##4a + 1##. And that ##n = kp + 2a##, for ##k = \dots -1, 0, 1, 2, \dots##.

E.g. with ##a = 3##, ##p = 13## and ##n = 6, 19, 32 \dots##.
Nice! You can actually take any two polynomials f(n) and g(n) and apply Euclid's algorithm to find their GCD. Then there are two cases
  1. If the GCD has degree 1 or higher then f(n) and g(n) will have arbitrarily large common factors
  2. If the GCD is a constant c then every common divisor of f(n) and g(n) must be a divisor of c
Such pairs of polynomials could be good for "prove or disprove" questions.
 
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