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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the limit of a specific integral approaches zero as epsilon approaches zero. The context involves mathematical reasoning related to integrals in the setting of analysis, particularly focusing on the behavior of the function E and its integration over a boundary defined by B_epsilon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the integral $\int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}}} E(|x- \xi|) f(\xi) ds$ and seeks to show that its limit is zero as epsilon approaches zero.
  • Another participant suggests checking the integral $\int_{|x|=\epsilon} E(|x|) ds$ and provides a calculation that leads to a limit of zero, but questions the use of spherical coordinates.
  • A correction is made regarding the computation of the integral, indicating that a factor was missing in the initial calculation.
  • Participants discuss how to relate the limit of the integral to the boundedness of the function f and the supremum of E over the boundary.
  • There is a clarification that when $\xi$ is on the boundary $\partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}$, the distance $|x-\xi|$ equals epsilon, which influences the supremum of E.
  • One participant confirms that the function f is bounded, allowing for the use of a supremum M in the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to show that the limit of the integral is zero, but there are corrections and clarifications regarding the calculations involved. The discussion remains exploratory with no final consensus on the method of integration or the necessity of spherical coordinates.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on the assumptions about the boundedness of f and the behavior of E as epsilon approaches zero. The discussion includes unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning and the implications of using different coordinate systems.

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Hello! (Wave)Suppose that $B_{\epsilon}=\{ |x- \xi|< \epsilon\}$ and $E(|x- \xi|)=\left\{\begin{matrix}
\frac{1}{(2-n)w_n}|x-\xi|^{2-n} &, n \geq 3 \\ \\
\frac{1}{2 \pi} \ln{|x-\xi|} &, n=2
\end{matrix}\right.$

So when $ |x- \xi|=\epsilon $ then

$$E(|x- \xi|)=\left\{\begin{matrix}
\frac{1}{(2-n)w_n}\epsilon^{2-n} &, n \geq 3 \\ \\
\frac{1}{2 \pi} \ln{\epsilon} &, n=2
\end{matrix}\right.$$I want to show that $\lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}}} E(|x- \xi|) f(\xi)ds=0$ for any continuous and bounded $f$.

There is a hint that we should check the integral $\int_{|x|=\epsilon} E(|x|) ds=0$ by using spherical $(n \geq 3)$ or polar $(n=2)$ coordinates.So, suppose that $n \geq 3$.

Then I thought the following:

$\int_{|x|=\epsilon} E(|x|) ds=\int_{|x|=\epsilon} \frac{1}{(2-n) w_n} |x|^{2-n} ds=\frac{1}{(2-n) w_n} \int_{|x|=\epsilon} |x|^{2-n} ds=\frac{1}{(2-n) w_n} \int_{|x|=\epsilon} \epsilon^{2-n} ds=\frac{\epsilon^{2-n}}{(2-n) w_n} 2 \pi \epsilon^{n-1}=\frac{2 \pi \epsilon}{(2-n) w_n} \to 0 \text{ while } \epsilon \to 0$.

But I didn't use spherical coordinates. Have I done something wrong? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
So, suppose that $n \geq 3$.

Then I thought the following:

$\int_{|x|=\epsilon} E(|x|) ds=\int_{|x|=\epsilon} \frac{1}{(2-n) w_n} |x|^{2-n} ds=\frac{1}{(2-n) w_n} \int_{|x|=\epsilon} |x|^{2-n} ds=\frac{1}{(2-n) w_n} \int_{|x|=\epsilon} \epsilon^{2-n} ds=\frac{\epsilon^{2-n}}{(2-n) w_n} 2 \pi \epsilon^{n-1}=\frac{2 \pi \epsilon}{(2-n) w_n} \to 0 \text{ while } \epsilon \to 0$.

But I didn't use spherical coordinates. Have I done something wrong? (Thinking)

Hey evinda!

Well... there is something wrong... :eek:

It should be:
$$\frac{1}{(2-n) w_n} \int_{|x|=\epsilon} \epsilon^{2-n} ds=\frac{\epsilon^{2-n}}{(2-n) w_n} w_n \epsilon^{n-1}$$
Otherwise I think it's all good! (Happy)
 
I see... So like that we show that $\lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \int_{|x|=\epsilon} E(|x|) ds=0$.

How do we use this in order to calculate the limit $\lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}}} E(|x-\xi|) f(\xi) ds$ ?
 
evinda said:
I see... So like that we show that $\lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \int_{|x|=\epsilon} E(|x|) ds=0$.

How do we use this in order to calculate the limit $\lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}}} E(|x-\xi|) f(\xi) ds$ ?

We have:
$$0 \le \left| \int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}} E(|x-\xi|) f(\xi) ds \right| \le \sup_{\xi\in \partial B_\epsilon(x)} |E(|x-\xi|) | \cdot \sup_{\xi\in \partial B_\epsilon(x)} |f(\xi)| \cdot \int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}} ds
$$
don't we? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
We have:
$$0 \le \left| \int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}} E(|x-\xi|) f(\xi) ds \right| \le \sup_{\xi\in \partial B_\epsilon(x)} |E(|x-\xi|) | \cdot \sup_{\xi\in \partial B_\epsilon(x)} |f(\xi)| \cdot \int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}} ds
$$
don't we? (Wondering)

Yes. So don't we use the fact that $\lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \int_{|x|=\epsilon} E(|x|) ds=0$ ?

When $\xi \in \partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}$ do we have that $|x-\xi|=\epsilon$ ?

If so then $\sup_{\xi \in \partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}} |E(|x-\xi|)|=\frac{1}{(2-n) w_n} \epsilon^{2-n}$ and $\int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}} ds=w_n \epsilon^{n-1}$ . Right?
 
evinda said:
Yes. So don't we use the fact that $\lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \int_{|x|=\epsilon} E(|x|) ds=0$ ?

When $\xi \in \partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}$ do we have that $|x-\xi|=\epsilon$ ?

If so then $\sup_{\xi \in \partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}} |E(|x-\xi|)|=\frac{1}{(2-n) w_n} \epsilon^{2-n}$ and $\int_{\partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}} ds=w_n \epsilon^{n-1}$ . Right?

Right! (Nod)

And $f$ is given to be bounded, so $\displaystyle\sup_{\xi \in \partial{B_{\epsilon}(x)}} |f(\xi)| = M$ for some $M$.
 
Nice... Thank you! (Smile)
 

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