So the tables have turned What does that mean?

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The discussion revolves around the phrase "So the tables have turned," exploring its meaning and origin. Participants consider various interpretations and contexts, including gambling and games like chess and backgammon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant speculates that the phrase may originate from gambling, suggesting it refers to a player who starts winning after losing.
  • Another participant questions whether the phrase relates to switching positions at a gambling table.
  • Several participants reference a website that discusses the phrase's meanings, indicating a shared interest in its etymology.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about using the concept of "turning the table" in chess to learn and improve their game.
  • Another participant humorously mentions ending games by turning the table to maintain an undefeated status.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on chess as a context for understanding the phrase, with multiple participants sharing similar experiences related to switching positions during play.

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Participants express various interpretations of the phrase's origin and meaning, with no consensus reached on a definitive explanation. Some agree on the connection to games, while others highlight different contexts such as gambling.

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Participants reference a specific website for the phrase's meanings, but the discussion does not resolve the ambiguity surrounding its origin or the contexts in which it is used.

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"So the tables have turned!"... What does that mean?!

Seriously, what is the origin of this phrase? Is it like one of those rotating tables at dim sum, or does "turning" mean flipping over like in a gun fight? I don't know. My best guess is it's referring to gambling when there's like a losing blackjack table or something and then a person suddenly starts winning... Anyone know the origin of this phrase? Wait, is it, again at a gambling table, when the dealer and the player switch (since the position is allocated on the table)?
 
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When I was improving my chess game, I often played with my friend's brother, who was a genius at the game. He would get an advantage on me in materials and/or position, then turn the table (switch the board to swap our positions) to see if I understood how to exploit the situations that he had set up. It was quite a good way to learn under "live fire", as opposed to studying books on chess theory.
 


turbo-1 said:
When I was improving my chess game, I often played with my friend's brother, who was a genius at the game. He would get an advantage on me in materials and/or position, then turn the table (switch the board to swap our positions) to see if I understood how to exploit the situations that he had set up. It was quite a good way to learn under "live fire", as opposed to studying books on chess theory.
Me too. When I found myself losing, I would just turn the table thus ending the game and maintaining my undefeated status.
 


turbo-1 said:
When I was improving my chess game, I often played with my friend's brother, who was a genius at the game. He would get an advantage on me in materials and/or position, then turn the table (switch the board to swap our positions) to see if I understood how to exploit the situations that he had set up. It was quite a good way to learn under "live fire", as opposed to studying books on chess theory.

I'd love to play with a grand master who would do this once per game :D
 

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