Social Physics: A New Theory of Human Social Interaction

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "Social Physics" as a new theory of human social interaction, particularly in relation to big data and predictive modeling of human behavior. Participants explore its historical context, current applications, and the credibility of sources discussing the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether "Social Physics" is genuinely a new theory or more of a marketing term associated with big data.
  • There is mention of Sandy Pentland as a key figure in popularizing the term, with inquiries about his publication history and the existence of a dedicated journal for the field.
  • Historical uses of the term "Social Physics" are noted, with references to Auguste Comte and Adolphe Quetelet, suggesting a long-standing but evolving meaning.
  • Concerns are raised about the credibility of certain sources, particularly those perceived as "crackpot," and the importance of critical reading when engaging with new concepts.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of current models in social sciences, attributing limitations to inadequate training in mathematical modeling and the complexity of social behavior.
  • There is a suggestion that the trend towards quantitative analysis in social sciences may represent a shift towards a more rigorous scientific approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of skepticism and curiosity about the validity and application of "Social Physics." There is no consensus on its status as a legitimate field or the effectiveness of current methodologies in social sciences.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the historical evolution of the term "Social Physics" and its varying interpretations, indicating that understanding these contexts is crucial for engaging with the current discourse.

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Readers interested in social sciences, data analysis, and the intersection of quantitative methods with human behavior may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello,

Is it a new theory of human social interaction, based on the concept of big data ?

http://socialphysics.media.mit.edu/

Patrick
 
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No - but it does appear to claim to be a new specialist field in social sciences. Sort of.
The hope is that having lots of data will produce predictive models for human behavior.
Sounds like marketing and I see the links all seem to go to "media" dot MIT.
Is anyone doing it outside MIT?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Is anyone doing it outside MIT?
Sandy Pentland: "Social Physics: How Good Ideas Spread" seems to be the author of this notion

Patrick
 
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Pentland certainly seems to be the latest to popularize the term - he's with the "media" people group at MIT.
He's also done some work on social networks.

I don't think the field has a journal so far though.
Where does Sandy generally publish?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Where does Sandy generally publish?
Good question. I do not know this person. Even so, "Social Physics" (not social big data) seem to have a long history.

Patrick
 
The term has been used to mean different things through history.
I don't think the "human thermodynamics" site is a good source to use - it raises too many red flags for "crackpot".

Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Comte
... August Comte used "socail physics" to mean the same thing as "sociology" ... the second word he used after the first was appropriated by others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet
... for the related use to describe the use of statistical methods in social sciences.
Closer to the use by Pentland. However, the historical uses should be understood in context.
 
Simon Bridge said:
The term has been used to mean different things through history.
I don't think the "human thermodynamics" site is a good source to use - it raises too many red flags for "crackpot".
Ok

I do not know this site. I found it by chance. The content on this particular point "Social Physics" seemed to me credible.

I agree, always keep a critical reading. Especially when we have no knowledge on the subject

Simon Bridge said:
Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Comte
... August Comte used "socail physics" to mean the same thing as "sociology" ... the second word he used after the first was appropriated by others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet
... for the related use to describe the use of statistical methods in social sciences.
Closer to the use by Pentland. However, the historical uses should be understood in context.

Thank

Patrick
 
I guess even political scientists nowadays are more motivated to analyse their objects of study based on large data - it appears to be the newst trend in the field. However, this has still to show any real progress. What you mainly have in such fields are very simple models with virtually no predictive power. This happens partially because people in these fields did not receive the appropriate trainning to deal with mathematical modeling and large data sets, and partially because social behavior is affected by so many variables that it is hard to believe that anyone would have taken all of them into consideration.

I am pretty sure that you can find people working in this kind of approach in the Sociology, Antrophology, Economics and Political Science departments of big Universities.
 
It's mainly because it is easy to publish such theories in social science journals.
Prev. though there was a larger tendency to concentrate on qualitative research, so it's probably a move in the right direction (i.e. towards a harder form of science.)
 

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