Solar Flare Danger: Worst Damages & Preparing for X Class

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The discussion revolves around the potential damages and risks associated with a significant solar flare, particularly an X-class flare expected during the upcoming solar maximum. Participants explore the implications for technology, communication systems, and human safety, while considering historical events and the role of organizations like NASA and NOAA in providing warnings and guidance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the potential worst damages from a high X-class solar flare and whether NASA or NOAA would inform the public about such an event.
  • Another participant suggests that while direct damage to humans may be minimal, significant disruptions to electrical power and communication systems could have indirect effects on society.
  • A historical reference is made to the 1859 solar event, indicating that while past events caused minimal disruption due to the lack of technology, a similar event today could result in substantial financial losses and safety concerns for astronauts in space.
  • Some participants propose that solar flares may now be easier to predict, which could allow for preventative actions to be taken.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the impact of solar flares on life, noting a lack of fossil evidence for such effects, while acknowledging potential inconveniences for modern technology users.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the potential impacts of solar flares, with some emphasizing minimal direct harm to humans and others highlighting significant risks to technology and infrastructure. There is no consensus on the extent of damages or the adequacy of current preparedness measures.

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Participants reference historical events and current technological dependencies, but there are unresolved questions regarding the specific actions that might be taken in response to a predicted solar flare and the effectiveness of existing protective measures.

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What could be the worst damages in a very bad solar flare, but a solar flare that's likely to happen in the next couple years with the solar maximum, like a really high x class, what could happen on earth? If NASA or noaa knew about this happening, would they tell everyone, if they would, what would we have to do to be safe from the flare, would they announce a national emergency?

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There are really two questions here. How much damage could a solar flare do on earth? Not much, most of the power lines are now protected, and use of short wave radio frequencies that will be most disrupted has been decreasing for decades.

As for satellites, a big flare can puff up the thermosphere and cause them to deorbit early. However, during the recent quiet sun period, the opposite has happened, so it would average out.

The other possibility though is called a coronal mass ejection (CME). These are associated with solar flares, and if an X class flare caused a CME headed toward Earth it could do a lot more damage to satellites (and humans) in orbit, to communications and to power distribution. Since the CME does not travel at the speed of light, it arrives at the Earth (if it is headed in that direction) one to five days after it leaves the sun.

On 1 September 1859 there was a huge disruption in the Earth's magnetic field. This is thought to be the biggest CME to hit the Earth in recent history. Of course there was no radio, no television, no artificial satellites, and no long range electric transmission. So the only damage was to some telegraph cables.

A CME of that size and speed (it arrived the same day as the associated flare) hitting the Earth today would be on the order of a billion dollars or so.

If a large CME were to be detected approaching earth, the space station would be evacuated, which would be a significant fraction of the total cost. (The radiation would approach or exceed the LD50 dose for humans.) Putting astronauts in orbit is expensive, and some experiments on the space station would be ruined if left unsupervised--especially since there would probably be breakers blown, etc. on the space station.
 
libbon said:
What could be the worst damages in a very bad solar flare, but a solar flare that's likely to happen in the next couple years with the solar maximum, like a really high x class, what could happen on earth?
Not much to humans directly, from what I understand. Had we been living over a couple hundred years ago, before the technological revolution, we probably wouldn't even notice.

But in today's technological era, the outcome might be a little different, indirectly. If major electrical power outages and/or communications systems were disrupted, it could impact humans which have come to depend upon such systems.

Here is a general solar flare Q/A from NASA's Dr. David P. Stern.
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/971124a.html"

And some related good news is that solar flares may now be easier to predict (and if if they are predicted, it follows that preventative action can be taken).
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100119_solarflare.html"

If NASA or noaa knew about this happening, would they tell everyone, if they would, what would we have to do to be safe from the flare, would they announce a national emergency?
I don't know. But I would think so. They have a track record of being very forthcoming with estimates and warnings of disasters (warnings such as NOAA's report of impending disaster prior to hurricane Katrina striking New Orleans).

But again, there's nothing really you'd have to do to be "safe from the flare." The flare itself won't harm you directly. But it wouldn't do any harm to have water, batteries, and canned food around.

Here are a couple of links to estimates involving space weather and solar flares:

Recent article from NASA:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/21jan_severespaceweather/"

A space weather FAQ from NOAA.
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/info/FAQ.html"
 
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The fossil evidence shows no real evidence of CME or solar flare effects on life. Such an event now could, however, be inconvenient for cell phone users
 

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