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The discussion revolves around the solution of the first-order linear differential equation (dy/dx) + (y / (sqrt(a + (x^2)))) = 0. Participants explore the proposed solution y = {sqrt(a + (x^2)) - x}, seek proof of this solution, and inquire about the existence of other potential solutions. The conversation includes attempts to integrate the equation and various approaches to solving it.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the solution to the differential equation is y = {sqrt(a + (x^2)) - x} and requests a proof of this solution.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the integral ∫ dx/√(a + x^2) and suggests using a trigonometric substitution instead.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the general solution, indicating that there may be other forms of solutions beyond the proposed one.
  • There are conflicting views on whether y = {sqrt(a + (x^2)) - x} satisfies the original differential equation, with some participants insisting it does and others claiming it does not.
  • Participants discuss rearranging the differential equation and integrating, leading to different interpretations of the resulting expressions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the proposed solution or the correctness of the integral. Multiple competing views remain regarding the existence of other solutions and the methods to solve the differential equation.

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Some participants express confusion over the integration steps and the conditions under which certain solutions may hold. There are unresolved mathematical steps and differing interpretations of the integral involved.

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If y = f(x) , and ( dy / dx ) + ( y / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) = 0

I knew its solution is y = { sqrt(a+(x^2)) - x } , where a is a constant

can anyone give the proof , by solving the differential equation.

Are there any other solutions for the above given differential equation. I asked this other
solutions because, on rearranging the given differential equation we get

( dy / y ) = - ( dx / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) )
on integrating
ln y = { integral ( - ( dx / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) ) } + ln c

so I may get the solution as y = ce^y1 , where y1 is funcion of x other than f(x)

I am not sure about the existence of general solution , but I think it may exist.

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so what I want is ,

1. Solving procedure for the differential equation to get the solution
y = { sqrt(a+(x^2)) - x }

2. what is general answer for { integral ( - ( dx / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) }

3. Is there any general solution for the differential equation given.
other than y = { sqrt(a+(x^2)) - x }

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Procedures I have tried and falied to do further.

1. we know d(sqrt(a+(x^2))) / dx = x / sqrt(a+(x^2))
so 1 / sqrt(a+(x^2)) = ( d(sqrt(a+(x^2))) / dx ) /x
on substituting this value in the differential equation , we will get
( dy / dx ) + ( ( y * d( sqrt(a+(x^2)))/dx ) / x ) = 0
on solving this I got strucked at
ln y = ( - ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) / x ) - { integral ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) / x^2) dx )

2. rearranging the differential equation we get
( dy / y ) = - ( dx / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) )
take x = a cos(t)
dx = - a sin(t) dt
t = cos^-1 (x/a)

on solving I got strucked at
( dy / y ) = { ( sqrt(2p) * sin(t) ) / sqrt( cos(2t) + 3 ) } dt

I got no other ideas. I wish , I can get the answers for all the 3 questions I have asked.
 
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hi smslca! :smile:

(have an integral: ∫ and a square-root: √ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
smslca said:
If y = f(x) , and ( dy / dx ) + ( y / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) = 0

I knew its solution is y = { sqrt(a+(x^2)) - x } , where a is a constant

can anyone give the proof , by solving the differential equation.

Are there any other solutions for the above given differential equation. I asked this other
solutions because, on rearranging the given differential equation we get

( dy / y ) = - ( dx / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) )
on integrating
ln y = { integral ( - ( dx / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) ) } + ln c

no

∫ dx/√(a + x2) dx is not √(a + x2) - x + C :redface:

use a trig substitution, and try again :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
no

∫ dx/√(a + x2) dx is not √(a + x2) - x + C

I said y = √(a + x2) - x is the solution for ( dy / dx ) + ( y / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) = 0

not for ∫ dx/√(a + x2)
 
smslca said:
I said y = √(a + x2) - x is the solution for ( dy / dx ) + ( y / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) = 0

not for ∫ dx/√(a + x2)

but if ( dy / dx ) + ( y / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) = 0

then dy/y = -dx/√(a + x2),

and ln y = -∫ dx/√(a + x2) + C :confused:
 
Have you tried plugging in the supposed solution and working through the algebra?
 
I said y = √(a + (x^2)) - x is the solution for ( dy / dx ) + ( y / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) = 0
You said wrong because y = √(a + (x^2)) - x is NOT a solution for ( dy / dx ) + ( y / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) = 0
 
JJacquelin said:
You said wrong because y = √(a + (x^2)) - x is NOT a solution for ( dy / dx ) + ( y / ( sqrt(a+(x^2)) ) ) = 0

It isn't?

\frac{dy}{dx}+\frac{y}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}=0

y=\sqrt{a+x^{2}}-x

\frac{d(\sqrt{a+x^{2}}-x)}{dx}+\frac{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}-x}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}=0

\frac{1}{2\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}\frac{d(a+x^{2})}{dx}-1+\frac{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}-x}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}=0

\frac{1}{2\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}\cdot2x-1+\frac{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}-x}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}=0

\frac{2x}{2\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}-1+\frac{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}-\frac{x}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}=0

\frac{x}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}-1+1-\frac{x}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}=0

\frac{x}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}-\frac{x}{\sqrt{a+x^{2}}}-1+1=0

0=0
 
Sorry, excuse me for my mistake
 

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quicker is dy/y = -∫ dx/√(a + x2) dx

so lny = - ln|x + √(a + x2)| + aC (from the standard integrals list)

(or go straight to ln|x - √(a + x2)| if you happen to know it!)

so y = aC/(x + √(a + x2)) = aC(√(a + x2) - x)/((a + x2) - x2)

= C(√(a + x2) - x) :wink:
 

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