Solve Geometric Series: Find n from s=9-32-n

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a given expression for the sum of the first n terms of a series, s = 9 - 32 - n, represents a geometric progression. Participants explore the application of geometric series formulas and the properties of the terms involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the formula for the nth term of a geometric series, a_n = ar^(n-1), to analyze the series.
  • Another participant manipulates the expression for s and proposes values for the first term (a = 9) and the common ratio (r = 1/3).
  • A participant presents a formula for the nth term, a_n, and discusses the need to show that the ratio a_{n+1}/a_n is constant to confirm the geometric progression.
  • There are requests for clarification on the steps involved in showing that the ratio is constant.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the topic and mentions difficulties in receiving help from their lecturer.
  • Another participant calculates the ratio a_{n+1}/a_n and concludes it equals 1/3, indicating a constant ratio.
  • There is a suggestion that the problem is effectively resolved once the constant ratio is established.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the ratio a_{n+1}/a_n is constant and that this supports the claim that the series is a geometric progression. However, there is some confusion and lack of clarity among participants regarding the steps to reach this conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about algebraic manipulation and the definitions involved in the problem, indicating potential gaps in understanding the topic.

ChelseaL
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Given that the sum of the first n terms of series, s, is 9-32-n
show that the s is a geometric progression.

Do I use the formula an = ar n-1? And if so, how do I apply it?
 
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So far I have this

9-32-n

3 = 9
= 9 -(n-2)
= 9 -(n-1-1)
= 9 -(n-1) + 1
= 9 \cdot 3 -(n-1)
= 9 (\frac{1}{3}) n-1
where a=9 and r=\frac{1}{3}
 
We have:

$$S_{n}=S_{n-1}+a_{n}\implies a_{n}=S_{n}-S_{n-1}=\left(9-3^{2-n}\right)-\left(9-3^{2-(n-1)}\right)=\frac{18}{3^n}$$

To show that $a_n$ is a GP, we need to show that the ratio $$\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}$$ is a constant, that is, not dependent on $n$.

Can you proceed?
 
What do you mean?
 
ChelseaL said:
What do you mean?

show the ratio $\dfrac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}$ is a constant
 
18/3n + 1 / (18/3n)?

Sorry for not really understanding this topic. My lecturer regularly misses class and refuses to help us when we ask questions.
 
ChelseaL said:
18/3n + 1 / (18/3n)?

Sorry for not really understanding this topic. My lecturer regularly misses class and refuses to help us when we ask questions.

If $$a_n=\frac{18}{3^n}$$ then $$a_{n+1}=\frac{18}{3^{n+1}}$$ and so:

$$\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}=\frac{\dfrac{18}{3^{n+1}}}{\dfrac{18}{3^{n}}}=\,?$$
 
\frac{1}{n+1}?
 
ChelseaL said:
\frac{1}{n+1}?

No, I think you are not using proper rules of algebra. Observe that:

$$a_{n+1}=\frac{18}{3^{n+1}}=\frac{18}{3\cdot3^n}=\frac{1}{3}a_n$$

Hence:

$$\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}=\frac{1}{3}$$
 
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ohhhh. What do I need to do from here?
 
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ChelseaL said:
ohhhh. What do I need to do from here?

As far as this problem goes, it is done, because we have shown the ratio is a constant. :)
 

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