Solve Mass-Spring System Vibration Free

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The discussion centers on the analysis of a mass-spring system undergoing free vibration, focusing on the mathematical formulation and transformation of the solution. Participants explore the derivation of the general solution, the relationship between different forms of the solution, and the application of initial conditions.

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  • Post 1 presents the differential equation for a mass-spring system and seeks to derive the equation for free vibration.
  • Some participants confirm the transformation from the general solution involving sine and cosine to the form A cos(wt - δ), providing definitions for A and δ.
  • There is a request for clarification on the calculations involved in deriving A cos(wt - δ) from a_1 cos(wt) + a_2 sin(wt).
  • Multiple participants suggest using the cosine angle subtraction formula to relate the two forms of the solution.
  • Some participants express confusion about how to apply initial conditions to find A and δ, leading to further discussion on the relationships between these variables.
  • There is a mention of the theory behind the general solution of linear ordinary differential equations, explaining the use of exponential functions based on the characteristic equation.
  • Participants inquire about graphical representations of the system and the choice of parameters for plotting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the mathematical transformations and definitions of A and δ, there remains uncertainty and confusion regarding the application of initial conditions and the derivation of certain relationships. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points, particularly regarding the calculations for A.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding about the mathematical derivations and the application of initial conditions, indicating potential gaps in knowledge or assumptions about the underlying theory.

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Vibration Free

Please, are correct?

m \frac{d^2x}{dt^2} + kx = 0

Where frequency is

w = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}

\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} + \frac{k}{m}x = 0

The characteristic equation is:

r^2 + w^2 = 0
r = +or- iw where i^2 = -1

Then

x(t) = C_1e^{iwt} + C_2e^{-iwt}

Calculating I can get
x(t) = a1cos(wt) + a2sin(wt)


Now, I need to do to get the following equation. how do I find?
x(t) = Acos(wt - \delta) (I think this is the equation we need to get the free vibration)
 
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Ya, it's correct, and

<br /> x(t) = a_1cos(wt) + a_2sin(wt) = A cos(wt - \delta)<br />

if you define

<br /> A \equiv a_1^2 + a_2^2<br />
and
<br /> \delta \equiv arctan(a_1/a_2)<br />

This is the equation of free vibration of an undamped single degree of freedom dynamic system with linear elastic stiffness.
 
BobbyBear said:
Ya, it's correct, and

<br /> x(t) = a_1cos(wt) + a_2sin(wt) = A cos(wt - \delta)<br />

if you define

<br /> A \equiv a_1^2 + a_2^2<br />
and
<br /> \delta \equiv arctan(a_1/a_2)<br />

This is the equation of free vibration of an undamped single degree of freedom dynamic system with linear elastic stiffness.

Why if A \equiv a_1^2 + a_2^2 and \delta \equiv arctan(a_1/a_2) we have:
x(t) = a_1cos(wt) + a_2sin(wt) = A cos(wt - \delta)

What the calculations involved?
 
Use the multiple angle formula for cos, cos(a-b)=cos(a)cos(b)+sin(a)sin(b)
 
n1person said:
Use the multiple angle formula for cos, cos(a-b)=cos(a)cos(b)+sin(a)sin(b)

With
cos(a-b)=cos(a)cos(b)+sin(a)sin(b)
x(t) = a_1cos(wt) + a_2sin(wt)

I do not understand how to find A cos(wt - \delta)
 
Have you tried rather than just staring at the formulas?

"cos(a-b)= cos(a)cos(b)+ sin(a)sin(b)" with "\omega t- \delta" instead of a- b gives you Acos(\omega t-\delta)= Acos(\omega t)cos(\delta)+ A sin(\omega t)sin(\delta).

In order to have that equal to a_1cos(\omega t)+ a_2sin(\omega t), you must have a_1= A cos(\delta) and a_2= A sin(\delta).

Dividing the first equation by the second gives
\frac{A sin(\delta)}{A cos(\delta)}= tan(\delta)= \frac{a_2}{a_1}
so \delta= tan^{-1}(a_2/a-1).

Squaring and summing the two equations gives
a_1^2+ a_2^2= A^2 cos^2(\delta)= A^2
so A= \sqrt{a_1^2+ a_2^2}.

BobbyBear didn't quite have those equations in his post.
 
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Yes, thank you.

The general solution is
x(t) = Acos(wt - \delta)

I find A with the initial conditions ?

x(0) = Acos(- \delta) = X_o

x&#039;(0) = -Awsin(- \delta) = V_o

I'll be A in the function \delta ?
 
Oopsie, I guess I tried to do it too quickly. HallsofIvy's relationships are the correct ones :)

And yes, on applying the initial conditions you obtain a 2 by 2 system (the one you wrote out), which you solve for A (the amplitude) and the angle \delta
 
BobbyBear said:
Oopsie, I guess I tried to do it too quickly. HallsofIvy's relationships are the correct ones :)

And yes, on applying the initial conditions you obtain a 2 by 2 system (the one you wrote out), which you solve for A (the amplitude) and the angle \delta

I could not find A

X(0) = Acos( - \delta) = X_o
X&#039;(0) = -Awsin(- \delta) = V_o

\delta = tan^{-1} \frac{V_o}{X_o w}

And A ?
 
  • #10
Well, once you have <br /> \delta <br />

you can go to any of the two equations and get A, eg

A= X_0/cos(\delta) = \frac{X_0}{cos(arctan(V_0/X_0w))} = \frac{X_0}{X_0w/\sqrt{X_0^2w^2+V_0^2}} = \frac{\sqrt{X_0^2w^2+V_0^2}}{w}<br />
 
  • #11
BobbyBear said:
Well, once you have <br /> \delta <br />

you can go to any of the two equations and get A, eg

A= X_0/cos(\delta) = \frac{X_0}{cos(arctan(V_0/X_0w))} = \frac{X_0}{X_0w/\sqrt{X_0^2w^2+V_0^2}} = \frac{\sqrt{X_0^2w^2+V_0^2}}{w}<br />

Sorry, I do not understand your calculation.

Acos(- \delta ) = X_o
 
  • #12
A cos(\delta) = X_0 \rightarrow A = X_0 / cos(\delta)

and

\delta = arctan(V_0/X_0w)<br /> <br />

so

cos(\delta) = cos(arctan(V_0/X_0w))<br /> <br />

yes?

(By the way, cos(-a) = cos(a) that's why I didn't bother with the minus sign)
 
  • #13
BobbyBear said:
A cos(\delta) = X_0 \rightarrow A = X_0 / cos(\delta)

and

\delta = arctan(V_0/X_0w)<br /> <br />

so

cos(\delta) = cos(arctan(V_0/X_0w))<br /> <br />

yes?

(By the way, cos(-a) = cos(a) that's why I didn't bother with the minus sign)

Yes. Thank you
 
  • #14
I got a doubt in the beginning.
After obtaining the characteristic equation
r = \pm iw with i^2 = -1

How do we know x(t) = C_1e^{iwt} + C_2e^{-iwt} ?
 
  • #15
viciado123 said:
I got a doubt in the beginning.
After obtaining the characteristic equation
r = \pm iw with i^2 = -1

How do we know x(t) = C_1e^{iwt} + C_2e^{-iwt} ?

Because the theory of differential equations tells us that the general solution of a homogeneous linear ordinary differential equation with constant coefficients is given by a linear combination of exponentials of the form: <br /> e^{rt}<br />

with r being the roots of the characteristic polynomial, which in this case are \pm iw
 
  • #16
BobbyBear said:
Because the theory of differential equations tells us that the general solution of a homogeneous linear ordinary differential equation with constant coefficients is given by a linear combination of exponentials of the form: <br /> e^{rt}<br />

with r being the roots of the characteristic polynomial, which in this case are \pm iw

Thank you very much. You know about damped in my other topic ?
 
  • #17
Someone has a graphic example of the system to vibration free ?
 
  • #18
To plot the graph using Maple 12, which values I use for k, x_o and v_o?
 

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