Solving 4th Order Differential Equation: y^(4)-1=5

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The discussion revolves around solving a 4th order differential equation, specifically y^(4) - 1 = 5, with given initial conditions. Participants explore different interpretations of the equation and the implications for finding a general solution, including the need for additional initial conditions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their approach to solving the equation by factoring and proposes a general solution involving exponential terms.
  • Another participant questions the formulation of the differential equation, suggesting two possible interpretations: y^{(4)} - y = 5 or y^{(4)} - 1 = 5, leading to different solutions.
  • A third participant asserts that if the equation is y^{(4)} - y = 5, the solution involves both a homogeneous and a particular solution, indicating a need for a missing initial condition.
  • There is acknowledgment of a missing initial condition, with speculation about what that condition might be.
  • Participants express uncertainty about specific coefficients in the proposed solutions and the correctness of their approaches, leading to further discussion about potential mistakes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the differential equation or the necessary initial conditions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the formulation and solution of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the initial conditions needed for a complete solution, particularly the value of y(0). The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the differential equation and its implications for finding a solution.

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I have a question regarding a 4th order differential equation from an exam i just took.

we were asked to solve y^(4)-1=5 given y'(0)=y''(0)=y^(3)(0)=0

I started by factoring down to (r-1)(r+1)(r^2+1)=5.

I then found my general solution to be y=C_1e^6x+C_2e^4x+C_3e^2x+C_4e^-2x

Obviously I would then be left with four equations with four unknowns to solve for my constants. Would I need to use a solver and/or hand solve the equations in order to find the constants? I didn't have time to do that so I just put the equations into a matrix and said that the constants were all equal to zero.

Just thought I would ask what the right approach would be (a little to anxious to wait another week)
 
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Can you clarify what your DE is:

Is it [itex]y^{(4)} - y = 5[/itex], or [itex]y^{(4)} - 1 =5[/itex]?

In the second case, rearrange it to [itex]y^{(4)} = 6.[/itex] The answer is just some 4th order polynomial (the coeffs are easy so I'll let you work them out. Think about it for a minute :smile:).

In the first case the answer is even simpler; y(x) = -5. :wink:

Edit: Ignore this and see below.
 
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If what you wrote is correct, then the solution is [itex]y(x)=\frac{x^4}{4}+c[/itex], where [itex]c[/itex] is a constant.

If what you meant is [itex]y^{(4)}-y=5[/itex], then you are missing one condition on [itex]y(0)[/itex], and your solution is incorrect.

What went wrong you may ask. Well, the solution of the second equation is the sum of the homogeneous equation [itex]y_h^{(4)}-y_h=0[/itex], plus the solution of the particular equation [itex]y_p^{(4)}-y_p=5[/itex]. The particular solution is clearly [itex]y_p=-5[/itex], so you only have to solve the homogeneous equation, which indeed has the form

[tex]y_h(x)=c_1e^{r_1x}+c_2e^{r_2x}+c_3e^{r_3x}+c_4e^{r_4x},[/tex]

where [itex]r_i[/itex] are the roots of the characteristic equation [itex]r^4-1=0[/itex]. Therefore, the solution is

[tex]y_h(x)=c_1e^{x}+c_2e^{-x}+c_3e^{ix}+c_4e^{-ix},[/tex]

and evaluating on the initial conditions,

[tex]y(x)=\frac{y_0+5}{2}\left[\cosh x+\cos x\right]-5,[/tex]

where [itex]y(0)=y_0[/itex].
 
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Whoops, you're right. I forgot about the missing fourth init. cond.!
 
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Lets hope the missing condition is [itex]y(0)=-5[/itex] ;)
 
Indeed! I was about to post the problem with regard to the 2 in front of the cos term (I needed to check that I wasn't making another dumb mistake, first!), but I see that you've already gotten to it. :biggrin:
 
Lol, I always have to edit my posts like 7 times :P
 
Yes, it seems like a common phenomenon with mine as well :wink:.
 

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