Solving Differential Equation with Fröbenius Method

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The discussion centers around solving the differential equation x^2y''+2xy'+(x^2-2)y=0 using the Fröbenius method. Participants explore the series solution approach, the derivation of coefficients, and the identification of potential solutions, including connections to Bessel functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a solution of the form y=\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_{n}x^{n+s} and derives coefficients based on the differential equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation resembles a Bessel equation and recommends seeking solutions in terms of Bessel functions.
  • There is a discussion about the values of s obtained from the indicial equation, with two possible values: s_{1}=1 and s_{2}=-2.
  • One participant expresses concern over the complexity of their derived expression for a_{n} and seeks simplification.
  • Another participant challenges the existence of a sum in the expression for a_{n}, providing a specific formula for a_{2n} without a summation.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier reasoning and revises their recursion formula for a_{2n} using gamma functions, suggesting it expands well.

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Participants express differing views on the form of the solution and the validity of certain expressions. There is no consensus on the best approach to simplify the coefficients or the nature of the solutions, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of boundary values in obtaining the correct expansion, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the derivation of coefficients and the relationship to Bessel functions.

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I'm trying to solve the differential equation:

[tex]x^2y''+2xy'+(x^2-2)y=0[/tex]

using the Fröbenius method.

So I want a solution on the form

[tex]y=\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_{n}x^{n+s}[/tex]

After finding derivatives of y, inserting into my ODE, and after some rearranging:

[tex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty ((n+s)(n+s-1)+2(n+s)-2)a_{n}x^{n+s} + \sum_{n=2}^\infty a_{n-2}x^{n+s}[/tex]

Looking at n=0, assuming [tex]a_{0}[/tex] different from zero, I get two possible values for s:

[tex]s_{1}=1[/tex]
[tex]s_{2}=-2[/tex]

Both giving [tex]a_{1}=0[/tex]

Choosing s=1, I get

[tex]a_{n}=\frac{-a_{n-2}}{(n+s)(n+s-1)+2(n+s)-2}=\frac{-a_{n-2}}{n(n+3)}[/tex]

I know [tex]a_{n}=0[/tex] for odd n, so I'm interrested in finding [tex]a_{n}[/tex] for even n, expressed by [tex]a_{0}[/tex]. Best thing I can come up with is

[tex]a_{n}=\sum_{n=2,4,6,..}^\infty \frac{3(-1)^{n/2}a_{0}}{(n+1)!(n+3)}[/tex]

which seems overly complicated given the simple recursive formula. Any ideas?


Second problem; I want to find another linear independent solution, but not quite sure where to start given my ugly expression for [tex]a_{n}[/tex].
 
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Your equation is almost certainly some kind of Bessel equation. You should seek solutions in terms of Bessel functions.

Edit:
In fact, it is a Bessel function. Specifically, a spherical Bessel function apparently. There are also general solutions on the page. Remember that in order to obtain the correct expansion, you must use the boundary values of the problem.
 
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DevoBoy said:
I'm trying to solve the differential equation:

[tex]x^2y''+2xy'+(x^2-2)y=0[/tex]

using the Fröbenius method.

So I want a solution on the form

[tex]y=\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_{n}x^{n+s}[/tex]

After finding derivatives of y, inserting into my ODE, and after some rearranging:

[tex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty ((n+s)(n+s-1)+2(n+s)-2)a_{n}x^{n+s} + \sum_{n=2}^\infty a_{n-2}x^{n+s}[/tex]

Looking at n=0, assuming [tex]a_{0}[/tex] different from zero, I get two possible values for s:

[tex]s_{1}=1[/tex]
[tex]s_{2}=-2[/tex]

Both giving [tex]a_{1}=0[/tex]

Choosing s=1, I get

[tex]a_{n}=\frac{-a_{n-2}}{(n+s)(n+s-1)+2(n+s)-2}=\frac{-a_{n-2}}{n(n+3)}[/tex]

I know [tex]a_{n}=0[/tex] for odd n, so I'm interrested in finding [tex]a_{n}[/tex] for even n, expressed by [tex]a_{0}[/tex]. Best thing I can come up with is

[tex]a_{n}=\sum_{n=2,4,6,..}^\infty \frac{3(-1)^{n/2}a_{0}}{(n+1)!(n+3)}[/tex]

which seems overly complicated given the simple recursive formula. Any ideas?


Second problem; I want to find another linear independent solution, but not quite sure where to start given my ugly expression for [tex]a_{n}[/tex].
I don't see how you could get a sum like that. Starting with
[tex]a_n= \frac{-a_{n-2}}{n(n+3)}[/tex]
You get, for the first few terms, [itex]a_2= -a_0/(2(5))[/itex], [itex]a_4= a_0/(2(5)(4)(7))[/itex], [itex]a_6= -a_0/(2(4)(5)(7)(6)(9)[/itex]

Okay, it looks like
[tex]a_{2n}= \frac{3(-1)^n a_0}{(2n)!(2(n+1)+ 1)}[/tex]
but there is no sum!
 
HallsofIvy said:
I don't see how you could get a sum like that. Starting with
[tex]a_n= \frac{-a_{n-2}}{n(n+3)}[/tex]
You get, for the first few terms, [itex]a_2= -a_0/(2(5))[/itex], [itex]a_4= a_0/(2(5)(4)(7))[/itex], [itex]a_6= -a_0/(2(4)(5)(7)(6)(9)[/itex]

Okay, it looks like
[tex]a_{2n}= \frac{3(-1)^n a_0}{(2n)!(2(n+1)+ 1)}[/tex]
but there is no sum!

You're absolutely right. My mistake.

After reading up on Bessel functions (thanks ObsessiveMathsFreak!), I've rewritten my recursion formula as

[tex]a_{2n}=\frac{(-1)^{n}a_{0}\Gamma(1+3/2)}{2^{2n}n!\Gamma(n+5/2)}[/tex]

which seems to expand beautifully.
 

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