Solving Green's Function for L w/ Boundary Conditions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding Green's function for a specific differential operator, L, defined as a linear combination of derivatives with boundary conditions. Participants explore the conditions for the derivative jump at the point where the delta function is applied, as well as the implications of transforming the operator into a self-adjoint form.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine the conditions for the derivative jump of Green's function when approaching the point y from the left and right, noting that continuity is required at y.
  • Another participant suggests transforming the operator into a self-adjoint form by using integrating factors, proposing a method to rewrite the differential equation.
  • A later reply acknowledges the transformation but points out that the operators are not equivalent, leading to a consideration of how the delta function on the right side should be adjusted accordingly.
  • Further discussion reveals a correction regarding the form of the transformed operator and speculates that the derivative jump may be related to the coefficients of the operator, suggesting a potential value of 1/a for the jump.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their intuitive reasoning regarding the jump and the implications of the delta function, indicating a lack of formal mathematical grounding in distributions and functional analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the conditions for the derivative jump or the implications of their transformations. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the mathematical treatment of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the participants' reliance on intuitive reasoning rather than formal mathematical definitions, particularly concerning distributions and the delta function. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for additional conditions to fully determine Green's function.

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Hello! I have problem with my homework, but what I'm going to ask you is not homework problem so I hope it is OK I'm writing it here :)

I need to find Green's function for differential operator
L=a\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+b\frac{d}{dx}+c
i.e. find solution for differential equation equation
LG(x,y)=\delta(x-y)
I'm looking for solution in interval [0,1] and boundary conditions: G(0,y)=0, \frac{dG(1,y)}{dx}=0. Well, my problem is, that I don't know what conditions the derivative \frac{dG(x,y)}{dx} must satisfy for x\rightarrow y from the left and from the right. I just know, that G(x,y) must be continuous function (when we look at it as function in x argument) also in the point y.

On wikipedia there is said, that there should be derivative "jump". i.e.
\frac{dG(x,y)}{dx}\vert_{y^+}-\frac{dG(x,y)}{dx}\vert_{y^-}=1/p(y), where p(y) comes from the Sturm-Liouville differential operator which they consider, i.e. they just examine the case
L=\frac{d}{dx}(p(x)\frac{d}{dx})+q(x)

So my question is: what are the conditions for the derivative jump in case of linear operator above? Or if there are none, how can I find Green function satisfying LG(x,y)=\delta(x-y) as I have just three equations (coming from boundary problems and continuity) for four constants and these equations don't consider the delta function on the right side of the equation?

Thanks for your soon reply and I apologize for my very non-mathematical approach to that problem while formulating my questions, but this is homework problem from my physics classes and they didn't formulated theory of Green's functions very mathematicaly correctly so my all understanding of this problem is only intuitive.
 
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Then put it in that (self adjoint) form! Remember finding "integrating factors" for linear first order equations? Do the same thing here. Imagine multiplying the entire equation by u(x) so you have au(x)d^2x/dt^2+ bu(x)dx/dt+ cu(x)u= 0. In order for that to be of the form d(p(t)dx/dt)/dt+ q(x)= p(t)d^2x/dt+ p'(t)dx/dt+ q(x)= au(x)d^2x/dt^2+ bu(x)dx/dt+ cu(x)= 0 you must have p(t)= a u(x) and p'(t)= au'= bu. Integrating that equation, u(t)= e^{(b/a)t}. That is, you can write your equation as
\frac{d(e^{(b/a)t}\frac{dx}{dt}}{dt}+ ce^{(b/a)t}x= 0
 
Oh, yes, thanks. OK, so we can transfer the linear operator to desired form, but they are not the same. I mean, that
L=a\frac{d^2}{dx}+b\frac{d}{dx}+c\neq L'=\frac{d}{dx}(e^{(b/a)x}\frac{d}{dx})+ce^{(b/a)x}=Le^{(b/a)x}
So I think that also right side of the equation: \delta(x-y) should be multiplied by that factor, so we have
L'G(x,y)=e^{(b/a)x}\delta(x-y)
So what doest it imply for derivative jump? That it should be e^{(b/a)y}/e^{(b/a)y}=1?
 
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oh, there is a mistake in mine (and also HallsofIvy's) post. L' should be
L'=\frac{d}{dx}(\frac{ae^{(b/a)x}d}{dx})+ce^{(b/a)x} and so the derivative "jump" should be probably
\frac{e^{(b/a)x}}{ae^{(b/a)x}}=1/a which is also what one can guess also from the original linear operator
a\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+b\frac{d}{dx}+c
but what is interesting is, that the fact, that first derivative doesn't exist has no effect for this jump. I mean, that similar linear operator
a\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+c
would give the same jump 1/a.
But I'm not sure at all that my thoughts about the jump 1/a are O.K., because they are all ONLY intuitive, i.e. unfortunately I don't know anything what is mathematically correct about distributions and functional analysis - that means anything about delta function.
 
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