Spin Quantum Number: Why Just Z Component?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of the spin quantum number in the context of the hydrogen atom, specifically why the z component of spin is emphasized over the x and y components. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical conventions, and the relationship between spin and orbital angular momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the z component is aligned with the direction of the applied magnetic field, as seen in the Stern-Gerlach experiment.
  • Others suggest that the x and y components are indeed relevant but exist in superposition when the z component is measured.
  • A participant proposes that the choice of the z-axis is due to the convention in expressing the Schrödinger wave function in spherical coordinates, which simplifies calculations involving magnetic fields.
  • Another participant explains that when solving the Schrödinger equation for a spherically symmetric Hamiltonian, one must choose a direction for angular momentum measurements, typically the z direction, due to non-commuting properties of angular momentum components.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the necessity of adding degenerate states, questioning the implications of doing so on the measurement of angular momentum components.
  • It is reiterated that once the z component is chosen as measurable, the x and y components cannot be precisely defined, leading to discussions about the nature of eigenstates in relation to angular momentum directions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the arbitrary choice of the z component for measurement, but there are competing views regarding the implications of this choice and the treatment of degenerate states. The discussion remains unresolved on several technical points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the relationship between angular momentum components and the implications of choosing a measurement direction, as well as the nature of eigenstates in quantum mechanics.

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Hello everyone,
In case of hydrogen atom, when we say spin up or spin down we refer to the z component of the spin. Why are we interested only in the z component of spin and not in the x and y components?
Thanks in advance
 
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The "z component" is the component that is in the direction of the applied magnetic field, see "Stern-Gerlach experiment".
The x-y components are those that are perpendicular to the z component. We are interested in them, they are just in superposition.
 
Simon Bridge said:
The "z component" is the component that is in the direction of the applied magnetic field

I suspect the reason we call it the "z" component, and not "x" or "y" is that when we deal with orbital angular momentum we normally express the Schrödinger wave function ##\psi## in spherical coordinates, which uses the z-axis as the axis of the coordinate system. The math describing atoms in magnetic fields is simpler if we align the axis of the coordinate system with the magnetic field.

We carry this convention for the z-axis over to spin angular momentum for consistency, which makes it easier to add spin and orbital angular momenta.
 
When you solve the SE equation for a spherically symmetric Hamiltonian you want the eigenstates to be simultaneous eigenstates of L squared and L. You can only pick one of the Ls since they don't commute, we call this arbitrary direction the z direction. I'm pretty sure once you sum all the degenerate states you get a state with no bias towards any direction, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
It is correct that in a quantum system, L2 and only one component of the vector L, can be measured simultaneously. We arbitrarily choose the z-component. But once we choose the z-component as the measurable quantity, Lx and Ly can no longer be specified exactly. I am not sure why you would want to add the degenerate states. Each one of them is a perfectly valid, measurable state. Of course, once you add a number of degenerate states with the same L2, but different Lz, the new state no longer has a definite value of Lz.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
It is correct that in a quantum system, L2 and only one component of the vector L, can be measured simultaneously. We arbitrarily choose the z-component. But once we choose the z-component as the measurable quantity, Lx and Ly can no longer be specified exactly. I am not sure why you would want to add the degenerate states. Each one of them is a perfectly valid, measurable state. Of course, once you add a number of degenerate states with the same L2, but different Lz, the new state no longer has a definite value of Lz.

What I mean is, in general an eigenstate in an eigenspace has no particular connection to any direction of angular momentum, it's only that when we solve the SE for rotationally invariant problems we pick an "eigenbasis" which are also Lz eigenstates.
 

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