Stuck Solving This Differential Equation?

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The discussion revolves around finding a general solution to a specific differential equation involving logarithmic functions and substitutions. Participants explore various steps in the solution process, including transformations and integration techniques.

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  • One participant presents the differential equation and their progress in solving it, leading to a transformation involving the variable z.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting a problematic expression to facilitate integration and proposes a substitution for simplification.
  • A later reply questions the validity of treating a variable substitution as constant during integration, prompting a clarification on changing variables.
  • Further steps are discussed involving integration and manipulation of logarithmic expressions, with one participant expressing uncertainty about their correctness.
  • Another participant expresses approval of the last steps taken, indicating that the approach appears sound.

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Participants generally agree on the steps taken in the solution process, although there are points of clarification regarding variable treatment during integration. Some uncertainty remains about the correctness of specific transformations.

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Participants rely on specific substitutions and transformations that may depend on the definitions of variables and the properties of logarithms. The discussion does not resolve all mathematical steps, leaving some aspects open to interpretation.

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Im looking for a general solution to the following equation but i can't seem to get an answer.
3xdy = (ln(y[tex]^{6}[/tex]) - 6lnx)ydx

I've got this far anyway..

[tex]\frac{3x}{y}[/tex] dy = (ln(y[tex]^{6}[/tex])-ln(x[tex]^{6}[/tex])) dx

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{y}{3x}[/tex] . 6ln[tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex] . 2ln[tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]

Let z = [tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex] = (x[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - y) / x[tex]^{2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex]([tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex] . 2ln[tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]) - [tex]\frac{y}{x^2}[/tex]

z = [tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex] gives

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex](2zlnz) - [tex]\frac{z}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex](2zlnz-z)

[tex]\frac{dz}{2zlnz - z}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex]dx

now I am stuck...??
 
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I presume it is the
[tex]\frac{dz}{2zlnz- z}[/tex]
that is giving you the problem!

Write it as
[tex]\frac{1}{2ln z- 1}\frac{dz}{z}[/tex]
and let u= 2ln z- 1.
 
Ya, its that part alright!

Do i write it like [tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{dz}{z}[/tex]?

[tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{dz}{z}[/tex] = Integral([tex]\frac{dx}{x}[/tex])



[tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] (lnz) = lnx + C

[tex]\frac{1}{2lnz - 1}[/tex] (lnz) = lnx + C

Is this right?
 
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Laney5 said:
Ya, its that part alright!

Do i write it like [tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{dz}{z}[/tex]?

[tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{dz}{z}[/tex] = Integral([tex]\frac{dx}{x}[/tex])



[tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] (lnz) = lnx + C

[tex]\frac{1}{2lnz - 1}[/tex] (lnz) = lnx + C

Is this right?
No. Notice that u is a function of z and is therefore not constant under integration with respect to z. Therefore you need to make a change of variable from [itex]dz\mapsto du[/itex].
 
u=2lnz-1
du=2([tex]\frac{1}{z}[/tex])dz
([tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex])du=([tex]\frac{1}{z}[/tex])dx

([tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex]).([tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex])du=([tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex])dx

[tex]\frac{1}{2}\int[/tex][tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex]du=[tex]\int\frac{1}{x}[/tex]dx

([tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex])lnu=lnx + C

ln(u)[tex]^{1/2}[/tex] - lnx = C

ln[[tex]\frac{(u)^{1/2}}{x}[/tex]] = C

u=2lnz-1

ln[[tex]\frac{(2lnz-1)^{1/2}}{x}[/tex]] = C

z=[tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]

ln[[tex]\frac{(2ln\frac{y}{x}-1)^{1/2}}{x}[/tex]] = C

[tex]e^{ln[\frac{(2ln\frac{y}{x}-1)^{1/2}}{x}] }[/tex] = [tex]e^C[/tex] , Let [tex]e^C[/tex] = B

[tex]\frac{(2ln\frac{y}{x}-1)^{1/2}}{x}[/tex] = B

Am i doing it correctly?
 
Looks okay to me :smile:
 

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