Supernova - What would you see if watching one from close by?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the visual and physical phenomena associated with observing a supernova from a close distance, including the potential for seeing heavy elements and the aftermath of the explosion. Participants consider the nature of the explosion, the state of materials produced, and the subsequent formation of celestial bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that one might see lumps of molten heavy metals flying through space, potentially coalescing into larger bodies.
  • Others argue that the explosion would primarily produce quickly dispersing plasma, with no immediate clumping of materials until much later.
  • It is proposed that the energies involved in a supernova are too high for any metal lumps to form initially, leading to the creation of a nebula as the debris cools.
  • Some participants note that the nebula formed from a supernova will eventually contribute to the formation of new stars and planets, although this process involves mixing with the interstellar medium.
  • A participant describes the composition of a typical stellar precursor cloud as a mix of primordial elements and materials from various sources, emphasizing the dominance of hydrogen and helium.
  • One participant mentions the potential danger of being close to a supernova, humorously suggesting that one might experience severe bodily harm from the radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the immediate visual phenomena of a supernova and the state of materials produced. There is no consensus on whether one would see molten metals or primarily plasma, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of what would be observed.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims depend on various assumptions about the conditions during a supernova and the subsequent evolution of materials. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the physical processes involved, with some statements requiring further clarification or elaboration.

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I know supernovae can create some very heavy elements (such as Uranium, Plutonium, Gold and so on...)
Supposing you could watch such a colossal explosion from closeby without getting vaporized, would you see lumps of molten heavy metals (and other elements) flying everywhere in outer space and then coalescing into bigger and bigger blobs (to form asteroids and such)?
 
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It would be hot and beautiful
 
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benhall96 said:
It would be hot and beautiful
I hope I'm still alive when Betelgeuse goes off. It would be awesome to see it.
 
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Definitely
 
No, it should be all in the form of quickly dispersing plasma. The stellar interior is held together by extreme pressures from top layers - once it's unbound, everything flies apart.
There's no clumping until much later, long after the debris will have cooled and been assimilated by interstellar clouds. Only when these clouds collapse to form new stars, the density increases again, allowing clumping.
 
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BetaZeta2016 said:
I know supernovae can create some very heavy elements (such as Uranium, Plutonium, Gold and so on...)
Supposing you could watch such a colossal explosion from closeby without getting vaporized, would you see lumps of molten heavy metals (and other elements) flying everywhere in outer space and then coalescing into bigger and bigger blobs (to form asteroids and such)?

The energies involved are way too large to allow for there to be anything like lumps of metal. It will eventually cool enough to form an expanding cloud of dust and gas called a nebula.
 
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Janus said:
The energies involved are way too large to allow for there to be anything like lumps of metal. It will eventually cool enough to form an expanding cloud of dust and gas called a nebula.
And that nebula will eventually give rise to new stars and even planets. Pretty cool.
 
BetaZeta2016 said:
And that nebula will eventually give rise to new stars and even planets. Pretty cool.
Well, not directly. This material will spread out and mix with the interstellar medium. After some time, this new mix will form its own concentration of dust and gasses that can collapse to form new stars and planetary systems. It is possible for that collapsing cloud to contain elements from more than one supernova.
 
A typical stellar precursor cloud is a eclectic collage of primordial elements, stellar detritus, comet and planetary shards, even garbage jettisoned from alien cruise ships. In other words almost anything imaginable. The dominant component is virgin hydrogen and helium from the BB [~75% - 25%]. This is because the universe is only old enough to have used up a fraction of the raw materials created during the BB. Only a handful of generations of stars have since contributed to the mix, which continues to evolve, albeit slowly, under the influence of energetic events like GRB's and supernovae.
 
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The super novas can create shock waves. The wave can force clouds into a denser state then they would otherwise be. That will be many lightyears away.

Standing close by you might see your eyes melt and turn to vapor. I do not know if brain tissue or eye tissue is more rapidly destroyed by high energy radiation.
 

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