The Last Chinese Eunuch: An Interesting Story

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The thread discusses the historical role of eunuchs, particularly in Chinese and Ottoman contexts, highlighting their unique positions within imperial courts and harems. Participants reflect on the implications of their status, wealth, and power dynamics, as well as the personal stories of individuals like Sun, the last Chinese eunuch.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares a link to a story about the last Chinese eunuch, noting the perception of eunuchs as nonpersons and their mysterious nature compared to emperors.
  • Another expresses astonishment at the unusual life of the last Chinese eunuch, indicating a sense of intrigue and disbelief.
  • A participant contrasts the opportunities available to Chinese eunuchs with those of castrati, suggesting that the latter had fewer chances for wealth and success.
  • Interest is expressed in reading the biography of the last Chinese eunuch, with a participant noting the complexity of eunuchs' roles as servants and potential concubines.
  • Discussion includes the role of eunuchs in Ottoman harems, where they served as guardians and sometimes rose to significant power due to their inability to establish rival dynasties.
  • A later reply reiterates the historical role of eunuchs in both Ottoman and Byzantine contexts, emphasizing their loyalty and the return of their wealth to the state upon their death.

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Participants appear to share an interest in the historical roles of eunuchs, but there are varying perspectives on their status and opportunities, particularly when comparing Chinese eunuchs to castrati and discussing their roles in different cultures.

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The discussion reflects a range of historical contexts and interpretations, with some assumptions about the motivations and societal roles of eunuchs that remain unexamined.

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A strange but interesting story..

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-china-eunuchs6-2009mar06,0,7938113.story

Emasculation was thought to render eunuchs nonpersons, without ambition or ego, so their presence in the innermost sanctum of the imperial palace did not violate the emperor's privacy.

"The eunuchs were very mysterious and in some ways more interesting than the emperors themselves," said Jia Yinghua, Sun's biographer. Jia met Sun when he was researching a book about Puyi, and recorded 100 hours of conversations with him.

Sun was privy to the court's most intimate secrets, the opium addiction and out-of-wedlock pregnancy of the emperor's first wife, Wanrong, and the emperor's ambivalence about his own sexuality.
 
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Alrighty now, I have read this a few times, and it has left me postless, which must be the same as speechless:bugeye: What a weird life this person had.
 
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What a horrid thing! At least the eunuchs had a chance at gaining wealth and power. The castrati who were castrated to keep their voices from deepening probably had far fewer opportunities, and if their singing-voices failed them, oh well!
 
I would really love to read this biography when it becomes available. Such an unusual piece of history. It sounds like the eunuchs were servants but some became more like concubines.
 
In the harems of the Ottomans, eunuchs were guardians.
 
Evo said:
In the harems of the Ottomans, eunuchs were guardians.
As they were among the Byzantines.

In both realms, several rose to positions of great power and wealth; since they were, for example, physically unable to found any rival dynasty, the emperor/sultan could rely on their loyalty and when the eunuch died, whatever riches he had amassed reverted to the state (that was the case in the Ottoman empire, at least).