The 'publishing' aspect of science

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the influence of trends and common practices in scientific publishing, questioning how these factors affect the writing, citation, and overall integrity of scientific papers. Participants explore the relationship between publishing and the actual practice of science, as well as the implications of funding and academic pressures on research topics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that trends in science dictate research topics and influence funding opportunities, potentially leading to a focus on 'trendy' subjects over more substantive inquiries.
  • Others argue that publishing is essential for academic recognition, positing that without publications, researchers may struggle to establish their credibility, regardless of their educational background.
  • There is a discussion about the dichotomy between the act of publishing and the genuine practice of science, with some questioning whether these two aspects are always aligned.
  • Participants note that some academics may treat publishing as a chore, fulfilling institutional requirements rather than pursuing passionate research.
  • A specific example is raised regarding the propagation of incorrect citations in scientific literature, suggesting that reliance on popular papers can lead to widespread errors, raising questions about the diligence of researchers in verifying references.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the implications of publishing trends or the integrity of the scientific process. Disagreement exists regarding the motivations behind publishing practices and the impact of institutional pressures on research quality.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the motivations of researchers, the influence of institutional requirements, and the potential for errors in citation practices. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Do you think that the 'fashion' , the 'common' methods employed in a science and the trends on it are the ones that sometimes determine what, how, where and why the things are published/cited ?
Does this influence how the papers are written?



Just the plain true. Because i know the moral and correct ideal answer, but as always, reality bites. What do you think?
 
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I understand that 'trends' have to do with the choice of research topics. If a research topic isn't 'trendy', it may be difficult for you to secure funding. I don't know for sure if there are any hidden agendas with scientific papers, but I doubt it. Publishing papers in the academic world is the equivalent of doing work in other fields. Without papers and publishings, you are nothing. In fact, a fancy Ph.D from MIT or Harvard will mean less than a degree from a nowhere when you have published dozens of high citation works.
 
The 'I publish...I exist' issue ;).

Without a doubt publishing papers is the 'work' of researchers. But to Do science is their work also. Are these 2 things always the same? Or there are more things in play , more guidelines than the 'scientific method' when papers are written/published and scientific academic work is done?

I think that the joke 'Science is my life, but i also want it as a work. If not, what I'm going to eat?' , applies sometimes
http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v1/n8/full/nn1298_641.html

And well, when you become involved in the scientific ambient you sometimes notice that not all is perfect and pretty. There are issues that affect academic/scientific work, although they may be non scientifical issues.
 
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The 'I publish...I exist' issue ;).

LOL, yes, I've met professors who don't seem to be too passionate about their field. They just publish enough to 'survive' (i.e the school requires them to publish atleast one paper in an international journal annually). The professorship just earns them a ton (atleast here at my university it does). They talk as if it's a chore, but I wouldn't know. Not there yet.
 
I know that this is a 'tenebrous' topic. :devil: . But let me explain with an example its motivation

Sometime ago i read ( i promise to search the reference) a work that critiziced some 'vices' that sometimes affect scientific research (I've said "sometimes", and that they critiziced the vices, when present, not scientific research itself). They put the example that analyzing bibliography, they'd found the case of a top cited paper that was cited in a wrong way ( a bad reference ), time after time, in a lot of papers by many different authors. They ask, How is possible that all this non-collaborating authors or research groups had made independentely the same mistake(this kind of mistake!)? Their conjetures:

a) Well, probably these researches had not actually read the paper, just copied the reference from another paper with the wrong reference. Knowing that it was a 'top' paper', the 'trend' is to cite it.

b) Yes, these researchers actually read the paper, but they were too lazy for searching for it in their archives and just copied the reference from another paper that had the wrong reference.

The dissimination ocurred because another 'popular' paper had made originally the wrong citation, and then another one, and another more, and...

The most of the papers they analized had the wrong reference. Just a few ones had the correct one. They conclude that this authors are the ones who actually read the paper. Or They were lucky to copy the reference from one
that had the correct one. :biggrin:
 
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