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News Three Americans Hailed as Heroes For Stopping Train Attack

  1. Aug 22, 2015 #1

    nsaspook

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    Bravo Zulu!

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/three-americans-hailed-heroes-stopping-train-attack-n414206
    Don't forget the Briton.
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    http://www.france24.com/en/20150822-france-train-attack-briton-chris-norman-thalys
     
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  3. Aug 22, 2015 #2

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    Bravery under fire. Probably saved a lot of lives. Glad it turned out so well. :smile:
     
  4. Aug 22, 2015 #3

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    U.S. serviceman Spencer Stone departs the Clinique Lille Sud, which specializes in hand injuries, in Lesquin, France Photo: Reuters

    Pictures just in show Spencer Stone, one of the American heroes, leaving hospital in Lille. He looks a bit battered and bruised but otherwise in reasonable shape. Earlier, his mother said he had surgery on Saturday morning to repair some of the damage to his fingers and would need physiotherapy to get full movement back.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...in-attack-US-soldiers-foil-massacre-live.html
     
  5. Aug 22, 2015 #4

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    And apparently a Frenchman:
    I was having a difficult time believing the Brit's accent until I saw this:
    All in all though, a very happy ending. :smile:
     
  6. Aug 23, 2015 #5

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    France train gunman 'dumbfounded' by terrorism allegations
    http://news.yahoo.com/france-train-gunman-dumbfounded-terrorism-allegations-132517618.html

    but
     
  7. Aug 23, 2015 #6

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  8. Aug 23, 2015 #7

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    I think it will be a matter of what charges he will face. It seems well established that he boarded the train with guns and the intent to threaten others. He did apparently discharge the AK. He did apparently express the intent to "rob the passengers".


    'Wrong place, right people': heroes of the French train shooting
    http://news.yahoo.com/wrong-place-people-heroes-french-train-shooting-181950813.html
     
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  9. Aug 23, 2015 #8

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    From your article:
    Hopefully, attempted murder is enough to keep him locked up. But you never know.
    It's interesting to look at the different laws, or lawlessness, that different countries utilize, regarding these types of people.
    But that's a topic for another thread.

    I have a feeling, that this incident will keep me quite entertained, for some time, as the story seems to keep changing, day by day:

    I suppose it was like a car wreck. No individual saw the whole thing, from start to finish, and everyone had a different perspective.
     
  10. Aug 23, 2015 #9

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    US airman says train attacker 'ready to fight to the end'
    http://news.yahoo.com/man-tackled-train-authorities-radar-3-countries-040337388.html [Broken]


    France train shooting: 'Instinct' led US passengers to react
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34034840
     
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  11. Aug 23, 2015 #10

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    Reaching into a gunshot wound channel and pinching off a clipped artery is an advanced EMS technique. I've practiced it but never had to use it for real. Great real-time emergency care. Great work. :smile:
     
  12. Aug 23, 2015 #11

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    Looks like the Zoomie and his bros will be kissed by the French President.
    http://www.france24.com/en/20150823-hollande-give-frances-highest-award-train-heroes-monday [Broken]

    Ike received his in grand style.
     
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  13. Aug 24, 2015 #12
    Would you rather be jailed as a thief or a terrorist??

    300? 500? rounds for the Ak47!!! pistols,box cutters, on a jihadist watch list in three countries!!!.....yeah, sounds just like your everyday guy. No need to become 'islamophobic' racist, insensitive, etc,etc,etc....

    Look, even the very politically correct CNN reports the radical with the weapons has highly probably terrorist links:

    "The suspect was identified as Ayoub El Khazzani, a Moroccan national whose DNA was already on file with Spanish authorities, French media reported, citing French official sources. A senior European counterterrorism official told CNN the suspect was linked to investigations into radical Islamist networks.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/france-train-shooting-americans-overpower/

    French train gunman belonged to radical Islamist movement
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/08/24/american-train-attack-heroes-awarded-france-highest-honor/

     
  14. Aug 24, 2015 #13
    except the nut with the guns.....well, maybe he ended up face down, or even unconscious, so I guess even he did not see the whole episode.

    I wonder if the authorities asked him to describe exactly where he found all the weapons....anybody would remember collecting all that stuff, packing it up, and remaining unobserved while doing so. Or how he expected to escape after robbing people on a mvoing train and shooting at least one other passenger in the neck....or why he didn't just rob a few people in the vicinity where he acquired all the weapons...

    And then go there and ask locals if they observed anybody with a cart full of weapons or struggling to stuff all that weaponry into his pants, pockets,shoes, knapsack, and so forth.

    ah, naw, all that is wishful thinking, likely they were too busy supplying him with lawyers,his miranda rights [how do you say that in french and arabic] .

    And don't think it's any better here in the US. I happened to take AMTRAK last month, first time ever, and marvelled at all the people coming aboard with unchecked, uninspected luggage. There were K-9 police aboard and on the train platforms here and there, but I'm not sure what they were actually doing. At the train platforms, they seemed to spend a lot more time talking with each other than observing boarding passengers.
     
  15. Aug 24, 2015 #14

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    Had he only had the pistol, I might be inclined to believe his side of the story.
    But given that he had 500 rounds for his AK[ref: fox news story you referenced], I don't think I'll believe anything he says.

    And this just in:

    The first heroic passenger to wrestle a weapon from the train gunman was named last night as Frenchman Mark Moogalian.

    Yay!

    Nice video in the link. nsaspook nailed it!

    Though, looking closely, there may have been a pre-ceremony discussion:

    :smile:
     
  16. Aug 24, 2015 #15
    One wonders if authorities have the presence of mind to check his shoes...... for explosives??
     
  17. Aug 25, 2015 #16
    To add insult to the large scale near fatalities, I've heard two news stories saying the NY Times reports some train employees were running away while the three Americans, a Brit and a Frenchman were subduing the 'thief'. And after the incident, the American who nearly lost his thumb reportedly walked some adjacent rail cars to be sure there were not multiple 'thieves' aboard. THAT takes quite a presence of mind.

    Bravo again.

    One wonders if the rail employees ever get hazardous duty pay. Did the Brit get his tie back.....the one used to tie up the 'thief'?
     
  18. Aug 25, 2015 #17

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    Rail staff aren't hired to defend against gunmen, very few people are. I don't see a problem with them, or anyone else, running away in this instance.
     
  19. Aug 25, 2015 #18

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    I had an interesting thought along these lines yesterday. Being ex-military myself, I could somewhat relate to the actions of the two military kids. We were trained and drilled and trained and drilled on all manner of "what if" scenarios. It always involved "action" to solve the problem. It never involved running away, or just standing there and watching. It's a mindset that has stuck with me, to this day.

    It's probably a good thing that many people ran away.

    Even though I was a submariner, and never had combat training, I know exactly what I'd do in their situation, as, after 9/11, I worked out all the details in my head, had I been on one of those planes. And I don't think I'd appreciate people just standing around, and getting in my way.
     
  20. Aug 25, 2015 #19

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    So says his legal representative.
     
  21. Aug 25, 2015 #20

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    Evidence seems to indicate a premeditated attack.
    http://news.yahoo.com/airman-wounded-train-attack-being-treated-germany-105332084.html [Broken]
     
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