Time-independence of seperable solutions of the Schrödinger eqn

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The discussion revolves around the time-independence of separable solutions to the Schrödinger equation in the context of Quantum Mechanics. Participants explore the implications of these solutions on probability densities and discuss methods for deriving the time-dependent function T(t).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to showing that separable solutions yield time-independent probability densities by analyzing the product of T(t) and its complex conjugate.
  • Another participant suggests returning to a specific differential equation to derive T(t), implying that this approach leads to unitary time evolution.
  • A third participant proposes starting with the time derivative of the probability density and checking if it equals zero, indicating a straightforward method to demonstrate time independence.
  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about whether their method of using the product of complex conjugate derivatives is valid and seeks confirmation or alternative reasoning.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to demonstrate the time independence of probability densities. Multiple approaches are suggested, and there is ongoing uncertainty about the original poster's method.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the derivation of T(t) and the implications of the differential equation mentioned. The discussion does not clarify whether the proposed methods are equivalent or if one is preferred over the others.

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Hey there clever folk,

So I am taking a class in Quantum Mechanics, and I've just completed an assignment about seperable solutions to the schrödinger equation.

One of the questions was to show that seperable solutions give rise to time-independent probability densities.

So I was having the equation \left|{\psi(x,t)}\right|^2=\left|{T(t)}\right|^2\left|{\psi(x)}\right|^2

So the time dependence will be determined only by the function of t. What I did was simply to solve the differential equation I had earlier to find T, and then simply multiply T by its complex conjugate. However, one of the later questions were to actual derive T(t) so I began wondering if there were another way (perhaps quicker) way to show that the complex conjugate product of T(t) would be time independent.

What I arrived at was that since

i\hbar\frac{d}{dt}T(t) = E T(t)

T(t) = \frac{i\hbar}{E}\frac{d}{dt}T(t)

T^*(t) = \frac{-i\hbar}{E}\frac{d}{dt}T^*(t)

T(t) \cdot T^*(t) = \frac{\hbar^2}{E^2}\frac{d}{dt}T^*(t)\frac{d}{dt}T(t)

Therefore I was down to that the time dependence or independence had to be determined from the product

\frac{dT^*}{dt}\frac{dT}{dt}

Am I on a completely wild goose hunt? Or is there something about it? When I arrived here I was like "I don't think I have heard about that a product of complex conjugate derivatives cancel".

Rune
 
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You almost had it but went in the wrong direction halfway through. Go back to the step where you had ##\frac{dT}{dt} = \frac{-iE}{\hbar}T## and solve the DE (it's trivial). The result will be a unitary time evolution.
 
I'd suggest the obvious. Start with (d/dt)|T(t)|2 and see if you can show it is zero.
 
Thank you for the answers.

@WannabeNewton, I actually did that already :) And by multiplying with the complex conjugate, everything with t disappeared, so that was great. However, in the assignments, a later question was to solve the differential equation and get the function of T(t). So I was wondering if the people behind the assignments had another way in mind, to show the time independence of the probability density, or some kind of reasoning :)

@Bill_K, I'll try to give it a shot :)
 

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