Titration of NaOH and C2H204 using phenolphthalein

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The discussion revolves around the titration of sodium hydroxide (NaOH) and oxalic acid (C2H2O4) using phenolphthalein as a pH indicator. Participants explore methods for determining the end-point of the titration, the accuracy of the technique, and personal experiences during the experiment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the accuracy of determining the end-point of the titration and seeks clarification on how pink the solution should be before stopping the addition of titrant.
  • Another participant suggests that the end-point is reached when a very slight pink tint is observed, emphasizing the use of a white tile for better visibility.
  • A third participant notes that the pink color may initially appear as clouds that clear quickly, recommending to add the base dropwise once the pink clears slowly.
  • A participant shares their experience of achieving a % error within the acceptable margin, contrasting it with others who struggled to meet the same criteria.

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Participants express varying opinions on the accuracy and method of determining the end-point, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the best approach to achieve reliable results.

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Participants mention the potential for significant variability in results, with some needing multiple trials to achieve acceptable error margins, highlighting the uncertainty in the method's accuracy.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators involved in chemistry experiments, particularly those focusing on titration techniques and the use of pH indicators.

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The other day, we performed a simple titration of NaOH and C2H204 using phenolphthalein as our pH indicator. I performed 3 trials and I calculated % error from .5 to 2%. What is the proper way of determining the end-point? How pink should the titrant be before you stop adding? This method doesn't seem to be an incredibly accurate way of determing the end-point of a reaction.
 
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The solution, before titration, is colourless. This means that when you hold it up to your white tile (you were using a white tile, right? :biggrin:) you will see white. You should titrate the two until you see a very slight pink ting, check using your tile. Once you can see the solution is pink, using your tile, then the reaction has finished and this is the end-point.

It is a common way to do it at schools and colleges. The idea is that it allows a good evalution for pupils and allows errors that would allow the correct answer to be obtained.

I personally avoided titrating anything as much as possible. The accuracy, which is your problem, was never resolved for myself.

Cheers,

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
In short: stop at first traces of pink :)
 
Perhaps clarification is in order. As you titrate, the base will cause little clouds of pink that clear very quickly at first, then more and more slowly. At the point where you notice that the pink is clearing slowly, add the base one drop at a time until the pink does not entirely clear. That is your end-point.
 
Thanks all for your advice. The % error I calculated for my experiment was within the margin given to us by our prof, so I guess I did it correctly. I guess I was just a little surprised at how much room for error there is. There were people in the lab who had to do 4 or 5 trials before they got their % error to within the established margin. Luckily I avoided that and went home early :)
 

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