To oxidize and to be oxidized , the same meanings?

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The discussion centers around the meanings of the terms "to oxidize" and "to be oxidized," particularly in the context of comparing the tendencies of different metals, such as zinc (Zn) and silver (Ag), to undergo oxidation or reduction. Participants explore the implications of these terms in chemical reactions and reference concepts such as activity series and standard electrode potentials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that "to oxidize" means to take up electrons from a reducing agent, while "to be oxidized" means to lose electrons due to an oxidizing agent.
  • There is a claim that zinc has a greater tendency to be oxidized than silver, while another participant suggests that a textbook states the opposite, leading to confusion.
  • One participant explains that an activity series indicates that a higher position on the list corresponds to a greater tendency to be oxidized, implying that zinc is a stronger reducing agent than silver.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that silver can oxidize zinc, stating that mixing the two metals does not result in a chemical reaction, but that Ag+ can oxidize Zn.
  • There is a discussion about the oxidation tendencies of magnesium compared to iron, with references to standard electrode potentials and the influence of ion charges on oxidation behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the definitions and implications of oxidation and reduction, particularly in the context of specific metals. Multiple competing views remain on the tendencies of metals to oxidize or be oxidized, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference standard electrode potentials and activity series, but there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of oxidation and reduction, as well as the conditions under which these reactions occur.

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for example: Zn has more tendency to oxidize than Ag, orZn has more tendency to be oxidized than Ag?
 
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BaO said:
for example: Zn has more tendency to oxidize than Ag, orZn has more tendency to be oxidized than Ag?

no they're not the same!

--> to oxidize = to take up electrons from a reducing agent
--> to be oxidized = lose electrons due to an oxidizing agent ( = to reduce)

Remember: an oxidizing agent gets reduced and a reducing agent gets oxidized.
 
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so it should be like this right? : Zn has more tendency to be oxidized than Ag
 
wait! how come my book says Zn has more tendency to oxidize than Ag?
 
Your book probably shows you an activity series that looks something like this: http://www.unr.edu/sb204/geology/mas.html . The higher up a metal is on that list the more readily it will be oxidized. The higher up a metal is on that list the stronger the reducing agent it is. The lower down a metal is on that list the more readily it will be reduced. The lower down a metal is on that list the stronger the oxidizing agent it is.

When you use "oxidize" as a verb, the subject of the verb is being reduced. The direct object of the verb is being oxidized. When you use "reduce" as a verrb, the subject of the verb is being oxidized. The direct object is being reduced.

Silver nitrate oxidizes zinc.

Silver nitrate is being reduced- it the oxidizing agent.

You could also say: Zinc reduces silver nitrate

Zinc is being oxidized- it is the reducing agent.
 
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BaO said:
wait! how come my book says Zn has more tendency to oxidize than Ag?
That is wrong! Can you directly quote the passage/sentence where it says this?

What is the name of the book (and its authors)?
 
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for the serie of metals in oxidation and reduction, a more nobler metal will always oxidize a less nobler metal.

--> thus Ag will oxidize Zn (you can also look this up in a table of standard electrode potentials)
 
sdekivit said:
for the serie of metals in oxidation and reduction, a more nobler metal will always oxidize a less nobler metal.

--> thus Ag will oxidize Zn (you can also look this up in a table of standard electrode potentials)
Actually, this is not what a reduction potential table tells you. And in fact, Ag will not oxidize Zn (nor will Zn oxidize Ag). If you mix Ag and Zn, there will be no real chemical reaction at all; they will most likely form a nearly isomorphous alloy.

However, Ag+ will oxidize Zn, while Zn2+ will not oxidize Ag.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Actually, this is not what a reduction potential table tells you. And in fact, Ag will not oxidize Zn (nor will Zn oxidize Ag). If you mix Ag and Zn, there will be no real chemical reaction at all; they will most likely form a nearly isomorphous alloy.

However, Ag+ will oxidize Zn, while Zn2+ will not oxidize Ag.

BaO: This explains why I used silver nitrate in my example.
 
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how about this sentence , is it right?
magnesium has a higher tendency to oxidize than does iron?
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Actually, this is not what a reduction potential table tells you. And in fact, Ag will not oxidize Zn (nor will Zn oxidize Ag). If you mix Ag and Zn, there will be no real chemical reaction at all; they will most likely form a nearly isomorphous alloy.

However, Ag+ will oxidize Zn, while Zn2+ will not oxidize Ag.

I disagree (as for the notation, i meant the ion Ag+).Of course you can see this in a table of standard electrode potentials:

[tex]Ag^{+} + e^{-} \longrightarrow Ag \Rightarrow E^{0} = +0.80 V[/tex]
[tex]Zn^{2+} + 2e^{-} \longrightarrow Zn \Rightarrow E^{0} = -0.76 V[/tex]

The relation with thermodynamics: [tex]\Delta G = -nFE[/tex] And because [tex]E = E_{ox} - E_{red}[/tex] E = +0,80 - -0.76 = +1.56 V (when p = p0 and the concentrations are 1M and T = 298 K) the free Gibbs energy is negative and thus the reaction [tex]2Ag^{+} + Zn \longrightarrow 2Ag + Zn^{2+}[/tex] will occur spontaneously.

In general when E > +0.3 V there is a spontaneous reaction.
 
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BaO said:
how about this sentence , is it right?
magnesium has a higher tendency to oxidize than does iron?

you mean the ions rght, because the elementary metals won't oxidise. Then it also depend on the charge of the iron ion.

But because [tex]E^{0}[/tex] of [tex]Mg^{2+}[/tex] = -2.37 V and of the least oxidizing iron ion [tex]Fe^{2+}[/tex] is already -0.44 V the above statement isn't true.
 

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