Troubleshooting Mandl & Shaw QFT: Deriving eqn (9.94) on pg 192 of 2nd edition

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The discussion revolves around deriving equation (9.94) from page 192 of the second edition of Mandl and Shaw's Quantum Field Theory (QFT). Participants are exploring the mathematical steps involved in the derivation, focusing on specific terms and their contributions to the equation. The scope includes technical reasoning and mathematical manipulation related to QFT concepts.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in deriving equation (9.94) and notes discrepancies in the terms compared to the book, particularly regarding the factors and limits involving λ.
  • Another participant suggests that focusing on the term involving p and p' leads to a cancellation of mass terms, resulting in a factor of 4 in the numerator instead of 2.
  • A subsequent participant seeks clarification on the middle term in the equation, indicating ongoing uncertainty about its contribution.
  • Another participant argues that certain terms do not exist due to cancellations that occur when applying the momentum operators to free particle states, suggesting that only the first term remains relevant.

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Participants do not appear to reach consensus, as there are differing views on the existence and contribution of specific terms in the derivation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the handling of the middle term and the overall derivation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention dropping linear and quadratic terms in k, but the implications of these assumptions are not fully explored. There is also a reference to terms involving λ that are not clearly defined in the context of the discussion.

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I tried to derive eqn (9.94) on page 192 of the second edition of Mandl and Shaw QFT and failed. Can someone help me see what I am doing wrong?

Ignoring factors that do not change from eqn (9.92) to eqn (9.94), noting that f(k) has been set to 1, and dropping terms linear in k and k squared as described in the text, I get:

\frac{\gamma^{\alpha}(\not{p'}+m)\gamma^{\mu}(\not{p}+m)\gamma_{\alpha}}{((p'-k)^2 - m^2)((p-k)^2 - m^2)}

= \gamma^{\mu}\frac{(-2p'p)}{(-2p'k)(-2pk)} + \frac{4m(p' + p)^{\mu}}{(-2p'k)(-2pk)} + \gamma^{\mu}\frac{(-2m^2)}{(-2p'k)(-2pk)}

The first term on the right hand side is the same as in the book, but divided by -2. Perhaps the other two terms combine in some way to fix it up, but I don't see it. I also don't see what terms are meant by the author when he says "the dots indicate terms which are finite in the limit \lambda \rightarrow 0" since none of the terms involve \lambda.
 
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Let us see only the p/ . p'/ term.
γα/p'γμ/pγα=[-/p'γα+2p'αμα(-/p)+2pα),now /p and /p' operating on free particles states will give m which will cancel with the m already written in (/p+m) and (/p'+m) terms.You are left with
2p'αγμ2pα,so you will get 4 in the numerator not 2.
 
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Thanks Andrien, that helps a lot. But it still leaves the middle term:

\frac{4m(p' + p)^{\mu}}{(-2p'k)(-2pk)}

Do you have any ideas about it?
 
There are no such terms because as I have written earlier owing to -/p(-/p') acting on free particle spinor you get a factor of -m which will cancel with m in (/p -/k +m) and also dropping linear terms and quadratic terms in k,you are left only with the first term already written in the book.
 

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