True/false units,amounts of plane figures

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The discussion revolves around the classification and relationships between various types of plane figures, specifically squares, diamonds (rhombuses), rectangles, parallelograms, and trapezoids. Participants are examining the truth of several statements regarding set operations involving these figures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that statement (a) B U C = D is false, arguing that while diamonds and rectangles are parallelograms, not all parallelograms are diamonds or rectangles.
  • Others argue that statement (b) D ∩ F = C is false, suggesting that E does not have parallel sides, which affects the intersection.
  • There are claims that statement (c) D ∩ E = B is false due to E having no parallel sides.
  • Some participants assert that statement (d) F "subset" D U E is correct, although this is not universally agreed upon.
  • Participants also contend that statement (e) E ∩ F = B ∩ C is false, again citing the properties of E.
  • Definitions of the various plane figures are requested and discussed, with some participants clarifying that "diamonds" refers to rhombuses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the truth of the statements, with multiple competing views and interpretations of the relationships between the figures remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Definitions of the plane figures are provided in varying degrees of clarity, and some participants express confusion regarding the properties of trapezoids and their classifications.

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Consider the following amounts of plane figures: A = {All squares}, B = {all diamonds}, C = {all rectangles}, D = {all parallelograms}, E = {all trapezoidal with three equal sides}, F = {all trapezoidal with at least a straight corner angle}. Examine which of the following statements are true. Reply with the letter R (true) or F (false).
__________ (a) B U C= D
__________ (b) D ∩ F= C
__________ (c) D ∩ E= B
_________ (d) F "subset" D U E
__________ (e) E ∩ F= B ∩ C

Any advice?
 
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Hello, Petrus!

Examine which of the following statements are true.
Reply with the letter T (true) or F (false).

__________ (a)
__________ (b)
__________ (c)
__________ (d)
__________ (e) Any advice?
Yes . . . Give us the statements!
 
soroban said:
Hello, Petrus!


Yes . . . Give us the statements!
Sorry did not notice! I fixed it now!
 
Can you begin by stating the definitions of the various plane figures given?
 
For example, with reference to (a), is it true that all diamonds and all rectangles are parallelograms? Or are the any parallelograms that are NOT diamond or rectangles? To answer that, obviously, you need to know the definitions of "diamond", "rectangle", and "parallelograms".
 
Re: Plane figures

By “diamonds” you mean rhombuses, right?
 
MarkFL said:
Can you begin by stating the definitions of the various plane figures given?
Romb:oppisite side parallel and its quadrilateral.
Rectangle: its quadrilateral and its 90 degree on corner.
Paralellograms: is a romb,square and rectangle. Quadrilateral
Trapezoid: quadraliteral, paralellograms,rectangle, romb, square ( its a isoceles trapezoid)
square: quadraliteral , same lengt all side, 90 degree, specialfall romb rectangle paralellograms,trapezoid

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Nehushtan said:
By “diamonds” you mean rhombuses, right?

Yes
 
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Can someone try explain for me what i am doing wrong, i get (a) is correct i get (b) is false cause e don't got parallel sides, (c) is false cause e is none parallel sides, (D) is correct and (e) is false cause e is none parallel
 
Petrus said:
Consider the following amounts of plane figures: A = {All squares}, B = {all diamonds}, C = {all rectangles}, D = {all parallelograms}, E = {all trapezoidal with three equal sides}, F = {all trapezoidal with at least a straight corner angle}. Examine which of the following statements are true. Reply with the letter R (true) or F (false).
__________ (a) B U C= D
__________ (b) D ∩ F= C
__________ (c) D ∩ E= B
_________ (d) F "subset" D U E
__________ (e) E ∩ F= B ∩ C

Any advice?

Petrus said:
Can someone try explain for me what i am doing wrong, i get (a) is correct i get (b) is false cause e don't got parallel sides, (c) is false cause e is none parallel sides, (D) is correct and (e) is false cause e is none parallel

Hi Petrus! :)

Let's see, your sets look visually like:
Code:
A
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw (0,0) rectangle (1,1);
\end{tikzpicture}

B
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw (0,0)-- (1,0) -- (1.707,0.707) -- (0.707,0.707) -- (0,0);
\end{tikzpicture}

C
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw (0,0) rectangle (3,1);
\end{tikzpicture}

D
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw (0,0)-- (3,0) -- (4,1) -- (1,1) -- (0,0);
\end{tikzpicture}

E
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw (0,0)-- (2.414,0) -- (1.707,0.707) -- (0.707,0.707) -- (0,0);
\end{tikzpicture}

F
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw (0,0)-- (3,0) -- (3,0.707) -- (0.707,0.707) -- (0,0);
\end{tikzpicture}

Oh sorry, tikzpictures do not work yet.
(Just practicing, just in case they will work someday. ;))

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Let's start with (a) B U C= D.
So those are the diamonds (B) together with the rectangles (C).
And the question is whether that matches with the parallelograms (D).

Well, a diamond is a parallelogram, so that's okay.
A rectangle is a parellelogram, so that's okay too.
But... a generic parallelogram is neither a diamond nor a rectangle.

So no, (a) is not correct. It is false.
 

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Re: Plane figures

Petrus said:
Nehushtan said:
By “diamonds” you mean rhombuses, right?

Yes

Okay. I just wanted to be sure that you were not referring to kites. (A kite is a convex quadrilateral whose diagonals intersect at right angles.) (Smile)
 

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