Two-Step Mechanism: A + B -> D

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The discussion revolves around a two-step reaction mechanism involving reactants A and B, leading to product D through an intermediate C. Participants explore the implications of varying concentrations of A and B on the reaction rate, particularly in the context of zero-order kinetics and equilibrium considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the reaction rate for the two-step mechanism is determined by the concentration of intermediate C, leading to the assertion that varying concentrations of A and B should not affect the rate since they are zero order.
  • Another participant argues that adding A or B, even at equilibrium concentrations, does not change the reaction rate if they are solutions, as the overall concentration remains constant.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that A and B are not part of the rate-determining step, implying that their concentrations should not influence the rate due to their zero-order nature.
  • Conversely, one participant proposes that the concentrations of A and B do affect the concentration of C, leading to a modified rate equation that incorporates their concentrations, suggesting a first-order dependence on both A and B under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of varying concentrations of A and B on the reaction rate, with no consensus reached on whether their zero-order status negates their influence on the rate through the intermediate C.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of A and B (solid vs. solution) and the conditions under which the reaction reaches equilibrium, which may affect the interpretation of concentration changes.

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Hi,

So if we have a two-step mechanism that goes something like this:

1) A + B -> C
2) C -> D
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A + B -> D

and the second step is the slow step, the reaction rate would be r = k2[C] correct? Well, seeing as reactants A and B are zero order, varying their concentrations wouldn't affect the rate. However, one of the questions I encountered said if you ADD A or B or DECREASE A or B, the rate subsequently increases and decreases respectively. I understand the reasoning for this since more A or B would drive the reaction to the right and thus increasing the concentration of intermediate C, which is important in determining the rate. But really, what's the difference between varying the concentration of A or B and adding A or B; if we add A, are we not effectively increasing its concentration?

I got to second question kind of related to this. We have a reaction A + B -> C with equilibrium constant: Kc = [C]/[A]. Now, if we add reactant A, BUT at the same concentration as the equilibrium concentration, then according to the equation, the reaction does not shift to the right, correct?

Thanks.
 
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if A and B are solids, then, adding either of them to the reacting solution would increase their concentration, and shift the equilibrium more to the right. you are increasing the number of moles of A or B, but keeping the volume fixed.

if A and B are solutions, then the concentration does not change. if you add 10 cm3 of 1 M HCl to 30cm3 of 1 M HCl, then you get 40cm3 1 M HCl. the concentration does not change. there is no change in reaction rate.if the concentration of A at equilibrium is x M, and the concentration of the additional A you add is also x M, then the concentration of A in the solution does not change.
 
The thing is though, A and B are not part of the rate-determining step so technically even increasing either of their concentrations should not affect the rate 9ince they are zero order no?
 
The concentration dependence on A and B are not zero order as they affect the concentration of [C]. In other words, [C] is a function of [A] and [ B]. For example, if you assume that step 1 reaches equilibrium much more quickly than a turnover of step 2, then [C] = K1[A][ B], where K1 = k1/k-1 is the equilibrium constant for reaction 1. In this case, your rate equation becomes:

rate = k2K1[A][ B]

and, the reaction is first order in both A and B.
 

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