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News U.K. Parliament report on 2011 war in Libya

  1. Sep 16, 2016 #1

    nsaspook

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    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/119.pdf
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/obamas-worst-mistake-libya/478461/
     
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    "Precision warfare" is an oxymoron. If you're going to go to war do so ... without deadlines, limits, or any other "humanitarian" constraints prolonging things.
     
  4. Sep 16, 2016 #3

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    Yeah, Libya is Obama's Iraq (caveat: Iraq is a little bit Obama's Iraq too). Doesn't get a lot of press, but the history books will realize this wasn't exclusively an Obama or Bush problem, but rather an America problem and a "war ain't what it used to be" problem. And probably a "Middle East is unstable" problem.
     
  5. Sep 17, 2016 #4

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    Which American war do you contend would historically qualify as meeting your guidelines?
     
  6. Sep 17, 2016 #5

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    Since the advent of "precision/surgical weapons?" Grenada ... and ... that's about it.
     
  7. Sep 17, 2016 #6

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    Any American war, in any time. I don't believe any of them were executed with zero limits, with zero humanitarian constraints.
     
  8. Sep 17, 2016 #7

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    That's the point, isn't it? We have very seldom gritted our teeth and finished a war. WWI begat WWII; WWII begat The Malayan Emergency, Korea, Vietnam .... All for the sake of "political correctness."
     
  9. Sep 18, 2016 #8

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    Yes there such a thing as PC and yes its grown worse. Yes half measures in the face of agression invite war instead of avoid it. But my point is that I see no point. Last try: what does "finish" the last war mean in the sense of avoiding WWII, Korea, or Vietnam? Invade the allied Soviet Union in 1945, or later, after they had the bomb, in 1949? The Soviets lost 20 million in WWII. How many should the Americans (broke in 1945) alone have killed (and it would have been alone)?
     
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    To elaborate: if you're going to fight, FIGHT (or to quote Tuco in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."); the art to all this is knowing "when/if."
     
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