Understanding an Approximation in Statistical Physics

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The discussion revolves around an approximation in statistical physics related to the volume of a box containing hard sphere particles. Participants explore the validity of the approximation given by the equation $$(V - aw)(V - (N-a)w) \approx (V - Nw/2)^2$$ for values of ##a## ranging from 1 to ##N-1##, and the implications of this approximation in the context of particle interactions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the approximation and seeks clarification on how it can be justified.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expansion of the left-hand side of the equation, showing it is equivalent to first order in ##w##.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges a typographical error in the previous response but maintains that the mathematical equivalence holds.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the origin of the ##1/2## factor in the approximation, suggesting it appears arbitrary or unsubstantiated.
  • One participant attempts to clarify that the term ##(V - Nw/2)^2## can be expanded to show that the additional term ##\frac{N^2 w^2}{4}## is of order ##O(w^2)##.
  • A later reply indicates a partial understanding of the approximation but does not resolve the confusion surrounding the ##1/2## factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the approximation, with some agreeing on the mathematical equivalence to first order in ##w##, while others remain uncertain about the justification for the ##1/2## factor. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the approximation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential typographical errors and the need for clarity in the mathematical expressions used. The discussion highlights the complexity of approximations in statistical physics and the assumptions involved.

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In a book that I am reading it says

$$(V - aw)(V - (N-a)w) \approx (V - Nw/2)^2$$

Where ##V## is the volume of the box, ##N## is the number of the particles and ##w## is the radius of the particle, where each particle is thought as hard spheres.

for ##a = [1, N-1]##
But I don't understand how this can be possible ? Any ideas
 
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\begin{align*}
(V - w)(V - (N-1)w) &= V^2 - wV - (N-1)wV + (N-1)w^2 \\

&= V^2 - NwV + O(w^2)
\end{align*}it is the same to first order in ##w##
 
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etotheipi said:
\begin{align*}
(V - w)(V - (N-1)w) &= V^2 - wV - (N-1)wV + (N-1)w^2 \\

&= V^2 - NwV + O(w^2)
\end{align*}it is the same to first order in ##w##
Thanks for your answer, however it seems that I made a mistake while typing. Can you also look my answer and maybe change yours as well ?
 
the factor ##a## you inserted in the edit doesn't change anything, they are still the same to order ##w## :smile:
 
etotheipi said:
the factor ##a## you inserted in the edit doesn't change anything, they are still the same to order ##w## :smile:
I see but I still cannot understand where that ##1/2## comes I mean its strange. It seems like its just invented from 'nothing'
 
Arman777 said:
I see but I still cannot understand where that ##1/2## comes I mean its strange

##(V - \frac{Nw}{2})^2 = V^2 - NwV + \frac{N^2 w^2}{4}##
multiplying out bracket
and ##\frac{N^2 w^2}{4} = O(w^2)##
 
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I guess I kind of understand..
 

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