Understanding the Relationship Between Mass and Matter

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between mass and matter, exploring the definitions and conceptual distinctions between the two terms. Participants express confusion regarding whether mass is synonymous with matter or if it serves as a measure of the amount of matter present. The conversation includes perspectives from physics and chemistry, as well as personal interpretations of these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that mass is the amount of something, while matter refers to the substance itself, suggesting that mass is not the same as matter.
  • One participant mentions that mass has a precise meaning in physics, whereas "matter" can refer to different concepts, leading to confusion.
  • Another participant distinguishes between mass and matter by associating mass with physics and motion, while linking matter to chemistry.
  • A participant introduces the idea of two kinds of mass in physics: one related to inertia and the other related to gravitational effects, noting that the reason for their proportionality is unclear.
  • Some participants express personal interpretations of mass as related to heaviness or difficulty in movement, indicating a more intuitive understanding rather than a strictly scientific one.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that mass and matter are not the same, but there are multiple competing views on how to conceptualize their relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and implications of mass and matter.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and confusion, indicating that definitions may depend on context and discipline. There are unresolved aspects regarding the nature of mass, particularly in relation to its different types in physics.

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No I'm not dumb, just confused. I keep reading that mass is the amount of matter. So is a 1kg mass matter? Is mass the stuff made of things . So when we say 1kg are we talking about the material? Or is mass the measure of how much? Looking for basic help. I always think about mass as how much stuff but it itself is not the matter, that's the atoms and things. Thanks in advance
 
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alkaspeltzar said:
No I'm not dumb, just confused. I keep reading that mass is the amount of matter. So is a 1kg mass matter? Is mass the stuff made of things . So when we say 1kg are we talking about the material? Or is mass the measure of how much? Looking for basic help. I always think about mass as how much stuff but it itself is not the matter, that's the atoms and things. Thanks in advance

You could have 1kg of sugar and 1kg of butter. They are not the same thing. So, yes, mass is the amount of something, but not the something itself.

You could try this:

 
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"Mass" has a fairly precise meaning, at least when it's being used in a physics context. The word "matter", however, is used in different ways to refer to slightly different concepts so it's not surprising that you're find yourself confused here. There's no really satisfactory answer; as you come to understand the physics better you'll find that you'll be able to pick out exactly what someone means by "matter" from the context.
 
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So I'm not wrong in thinking mass and matter are not the same things.

When I think of matter, I think of chemistry. When I think of mass, I think physics, motion, largeness/massiveness of objects made of matter. Mass being the abstract quantity that's just understood.

Friend of mine told me to think about pushing a car in space. That's hardness/difficulty to push is kinda like mass and then other definitions like measure of inertia make sense.

Guess what I am saying I need to not think of mass as matter but mass is something matter has.
 
alkaspeltzar said:
So I'm not wrong in thinking mass and matter are not the same things.

It doesn't matter.

Forgive me. I couldn't resist the pun. :devil::oldtongue:
 
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What makes the question even more complicated is that there are actually two kinds of mass in physics.
  1. One that causes the inertia of the bodies, so resist the bodies of accelerating force.
  2. The other, which causes the apple to fall off the tree, or the Moon circulate around the Earth.

The two masses are proportional to the measurements, but I think no one knows the reason.
 
anorlunda said:
It doesn't matter.

Forgive me. I couldn't resist the pun. :devil::oldtongue:

Don Van Vliet said:
The stars are matter, we're matter, but it doesn't matter.
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Puns don't really answer haha but I think I understand. I just think of mass as the heaviness or what makes matter hard to move.not most scientific but it makes some sense I guess. Trying to understand enough to accept it.
 

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