Unveiling the Beauty of Physics: Beyond Projectiles and Speed

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The discussion revolves around the perception of physics education, particularly at the introductory level. Participants express their frustrations with the teaching methods and the focus on formulaic problem-solving, questioning whether there is more depth to physics beyond basic applications like projectile motion and average speed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants feel that physics is overly focused on finding and applying formulas, leading to a lack of engagement and interest.
  • Others argue that the integration of math and real-world applications is a significant aspect of physics, which they find intriguing despite the teaching methods.
  • A participant suggests that the way introductory physics is taught often leads students to believe that physics is merely about plugging numbers into formulas, which they contend is a misconception.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that upper division physics involves deriving formulas from fundamental principles, indicating a deeper understanding of the subject that is not conveyed in introductory courses.
  • There is a suggestion that the teaching of physics concepts should occur earlier in education to better prepare students for advanced topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express dissatisfaction with the current teaching methods of introductory physics, but there is no consensus on how to improve the situation or on the best way to convey the depth of the subject.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that introductory physics often lacks emphasis on approximation and the conditions under which various principles apply, which may contribute to a superficial understanding of the subject.

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I feel like physics is just find a formula and use it in a problem.
I really enjoyed math mostly because of my teacher who constantly tried to show us the "beauty" of math.
Physics. The act of integrating math and the real world intrigued me. Mostly because almost every math concept is theoretical.
I really thought like I'd enjoy it all but the class seems to go so slowly and I'm deteriorating to the state where I don't even care about it anymore.
Is there more to this than shooting projectiles and finding the average speed? :(
 
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f25274 said:
I feel like physics is just find a formula and use it in a problem.
I really enjoyed math mostly because of my teacher who constantly tried to show us the "beauty" of math.
Physics. The act of integrating math and the real world intrigued me. Mostly because almost every math concept is theoretical.
I really thought like I'd enjoy it all but the class seems to go so slowly and I'm deteriorating to the state where I don't even care about it anymore.
Is there more to this than shooting projectiles and finding the average speed? :(

Bill Gates was asked whether he would be happy if his kids wanted to drop out of college and start their own company, like he did, and he said "no, but if your parent's objection makes you say okay, Ill go back to school, then you probably weren't meant to drop out and start a company in the first place".

If the only thing that attracts you to a subject is charismatic teachers, then maybe you weren't meant to be a physicist anyway. For most good theoretical physicists that I know, the most fun to be had in going to class was to prove the teacher wrong.

Get some good books, a pencil (with an eraser) and a piece of paper. Little physics is learned in the classroom. You are like Christopher Columbus sitting in a classroom in Spain, taking a course in navigation, and asking "is this all there is?". The answer is LOL NO.
 
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f25274 said:
I feel like physics is just find a formula and use it in a problem.
I really enjoyed math mostly because of my teacher who constantly tried to show us the "beauty" of math.
Physics. The act of integrating math and the real world intrigued me. Mostly because almost every math concept is theoretical.
I really thought like I'd enjoy it all but the class seems to go so slowly and I'm deteriorating to the state where I don't even care about it anymore.
Is there more to this than shooting projectiles and finding the average speed? :(

Unfortunately, this is the way introductory physics is often taught (or at least comes off as) to students. As soon as they get a question they rifle through formulas trying to find "the right one". So naturally, they come to think physics is just plugging numbers into formulas.

It is not. Physics is much deeper than that. In a sense, upper division physics classes are like an introductory mechanics class in which the professor says "F=ma" and then hands you an exam. Specifically, you are expected to derive whichever formula you need from the most general principles possible. A lot of physics is also about approximation, something they don't mention at all in introductory physics classes. Perhaps they are too busy trying to hammer home how well physics works in describing the trajectories of balls in frictionless vacuums, but approximations are really key to physics. A lot of being a decent physicist is knowing what to approximate and when this approximation is valid. I could ramble on here for a few more paragraphs about what I think physics is, but I'll stop here.

Now, I don't necessarily know a better way to teach introductory physics. Most kids don't even want to be there. But suffice it to say that there is certainly much more.
 
f25274 said:
I feel like physics is just find a formula and use it in a problem.
I really enjoyed math mostly because of my teacher who constantly tried to show us the "beauty" of math.
Physics. The act of integrating math and the real world intrigued me. Mostly because almost every math concept is theoretical.
I really thought like I'd enjoy it all but the class seems to go so slowly and I'm deteriorating to the state where I don't even care about it anymore.
Is there more to this than shooting projectiles and finding the average speed? :(

The problem is that you should have learned these concepts much earlier than in freshmen year at college.
 

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