Using Change of Variable to Solve Transport Equation

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The discussion revolves around the application of the change of variable \(\xi = x - ct\) to solve the transport equation \(u_t + c u_x = 0\). Participants are exploring the steps involved in transforming the partial differential equation (PDE) and the implications of using the chain rule in this context.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how to apply the change of variable \(\xi = x - ct\) to the PDE and expresses confusion about using the chain rule as suggested by a reference document.
  • Another participant explains the application of the multivariate calculus rule to derive expressions for \(\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}\) and \(\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\), noting the need to substitute \(\frac{\partial \xi}{\partial t} = -c\).
  • A later reply indicates that the first step of the explanation was understood, but the participant struggles to derive the relationship \(\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial v}{\partial \xi}\), which remains unclear.
  • One participant points out that multi-posting is frowned upon in the forums, suggesting that the inquiry may be better suited for a different section.
  • The original poster apologizes for any confusion caused by their posting behavior and reiterates their focus on understanding the concept behind a specific step in the process.

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Participants generally agree on the steps to apply the change of variable and the use of the chain rule, but there is no consensus on the specific relationship involving \(\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\) and \(\frac{\partial v}{\partial \xi}\), which remains unresolved.

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The discussion highlights potential gaps in understanding the application of the chain rule in the context of PDEs, as well as the need for clarity on the relationships between the derivatives after the change of variable.

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how do you use the change of variable:
\xi = x - ct

on the PDE
ut + c ux = 0

where u(t,x) = v(t,x-ct) = v(t,\xi)

to get

vt = 0

I am trying to follow the steps of Peter J. Olver in this document http://www.math.umn.edu/~olver/pd_/lnw.pdf starting on pg 4 but get stuck here...i think i am missing an important calculus concept but cannot figure out what. He says to use the chain rule but i cannot figure out how that helps.

Any help GREATLY appreciated
 
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first use \xi=x-ct to eliminate x:
u(t,x)=v(t,\xi(t))
Olver mentions the multivariate calculus rule, meaning you should apply the following:
\frac{\partial u(a(t),b(t))}{\partial t}=\frac{\partial u}{\partial a}\frac{\partial a(t)}{\partial t} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial b}\frac{\partial b(t)}{\partial t}

In this case
a(t)=t
and
b(t)=\xi(t)
\frac{\partial u(t,\xi(t))}{\partial t}=\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}1 + \frac{\partial u}{\partial \xi}\frac{\partial \xi}{\partial t}
and note that
\frac{\partial \xi}{\partial t}=-c

do something similar for u_x and substitute.
 
O I am sorry, I am new to these forums and was not sure which section to post in because it was "like" a homework question, but I really was just looking for the concept behind that one step.

Sorry again...Didn't mean to waste your time reading two posts.
 
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bigfooted said:
first use \xi=x-ct to eliminate x:
u(t,x)=v(t,\xi(t))
Olver mentions the multivariate calculus rule, meaning you should apply the following:
\frac{\partial u(a(t),b(t))}{\partial t}=\frac{\partial u}{\partial a}\frac{\partial a(t)}{\partial t} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial b}\frac{\partial b(t)}{\partial t}

In this case
a(t)=t
and
b(t)=\xi(t)
\frac{\partial u(t,\xi(t))}{\partial t}=\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}1 + \frac{\partial u}{\partial \xi}\frac{\partial \xi}{\partial t}
and note that
\frac{\partial \xi}{\partial t}=-c

do something similar for u_x and substitute.

Thanks for the reply, I got the first step of what you did, and got the equation

\frac{\partial u}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial v}{\partial t} - c \frac{\partial v}{\partial \xi}

And I realized (by trying do to do it) that when you do a similar thing for ux you get an equation very similar to the first. It does not seem to give you the relation

\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = \frac{ \partial v}{\partial\xi}

which is the step i cannot figure out
 

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