Does the Vacuum Solution in General Relativity Hold in the Presence of Matter?

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The discussion centers on the vacuum solution in General Relativity (GR) and its validity in the presence of matter. The field equation is expressed as Rab - 1/2 gab R = 8πTab, where Rab = 0 represents the vacuum solution. Participants argue that this vacuum solution should hold even when matter is present, as excavating an infinitesimal vacuum chamber does not affect the local solution. However, it is established that while individual contributions may be infinitesimal, their infinite sum can yield a non-zero result, thus invalidating the simplification of the field equation to exclude the vacuum term.

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The general field equation for GR is

Rab - 1/2 gab R = 8πTab

where I am setting G = 1 and c = 1.

Also, the vacuum solution is

Rab = 0

But it seems to me that this "vacuum" solution must hold even when there is matter present. Pick a point within a planet. Then excavate an infinitesimal vacuum chamber about the point. That can't affect the solution there because the local contribution to the solution is infinitesimal. Therefore, whether there is a vacuum at a point or not makes no difference, the vacuum solution still holds. Rab = 0 is a constraint on curvature that is everywhere satisfied.

So why can't the field equation then be simplified to this by replacing Rab with 0?

- 1/2 gab R = 8πTab

That makes it look a lot like Gauss's law of gravity, which does not add in a zero term representing a vacuum solution.

2\varphi = 4πρ

This makes more sense to me. The solution is determined by the sources only, not by a zero valued vacuum solution.

Did Einstein glue together two equations into one for brevity? If so, why doesn't Gauss's law need another equation? And why would a vacuum solution be needed in addition to the source term in GR?
 
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Thinkor said:
But it seems to me that this "vacuum" solution must hold even when there is matter present. Pick a point within a planet. Then excavate an infinitesimal vacuum chamber about the point. That can't affect the solution there because the local contribution to the solution is infinitesimal. Therefore, whether there is a vacuum at a point or not makes no difference, the vacuum solution still holds.

This is not correct. You could make this argument for calculating an integral, for example. I could say "The contribution to the integral from each infinitesimal dx is infinitesimal, therefore I can ignore it and set it to zero, and the integral of any function is zero." The problem with your argument is that, while the contribution to the solution for each infinitesimal volume is infinitesimal, when I add up an infinite number of them, I get a non-zero result. Imagine taking your "inifinitesimal vacuum chamber" to be finite but small, then take the limiting procedure of taking the volume of the chamber to zero. While the volume of the chamber tends to zero, the number of chambers tends to infinity and the sum of the contributions from all of the chambers is non-zero.
 
Thinkor said:
So why can't the field equation then be simplified to this by replacing Rab with 0?

- 1/2 gab R = 8πTab

That makes it look a lot like Gauss's law of gravity, which does not add in a zero term representing a vacuum solution.

2 = 4πρ

In addition to phyzguy's comments, if ##R_{ab} = 0## then clearly the field equations do not resemble ##\nabla^2 \varphi = 4\pi \rho## for non-vanishing ##\rho## because ##R_{ab} = 0## trivially implies ##R = 0## which reduces your equation to ##T_{ab} = 0##, the Newtonian analogue of which is Laplace's equation ##\nabla^2 \varphi = 0##.
 
phyzguy said:
This is not correct. You could make this argument for calculating an integral, for example. I could say "The contribution to the integral from each infinitesimal dx is infinitesimal, therefore I can ignore it and set it to zero, and the integral of any function is zero." The problem with your argument is that, while the contribution to the solution for each infinitesimal volume is infinitesimal, when I add up an infinite number of them, I get a non-zero result. Imagine taking your "inifinitesimal vacuum chamber" to be finite but small, then take the limiting procedure of taking the volume of the chamber to zero. While the volume of the chamber tends to zero, the number of chambers tends to infinity and the sum of the contributions from all of the chambers is non-zero.

Yes, thanks. I failed to recognize in it the more complex context that exists here.
 

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