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The discussion revolves around the definition and properties of vector spaces, specifically focusing on the concepts of closure under vector addition and scalar multiplication. Participants explore the formal structure of vector spaces, the axioms involved, and the implications of these definitions.

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  • Some participants question whether a vector space can be simply described as a "set of rules" assigned to vectors, suggesting that this characterization may be tautological.
  • There is a discussion about the definitions of addition and scalar multiplication as binary operations that must satisfy certain axioms to form a vector space.
  • One participant explains that a set is closed under vector addition if the sum of any two vectors in the set remains within the set, and similarly for scalar multiplication.
  • Another participant emphasizes that closure means that the results of these operations must always yield elements that are still within the set being considered.
  • Some participants provide examples to illustrate closure, such as the set {1,2} not being closed under addition since 1 + 2 = 3, which is not in the set.
  • There is a clarification on the notation and definitions used in vector spaces, including the distinction between the underlying set and the operations defined on it.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the definition of a vector space and the implications of closure. While some points are clarified, there is no consensus on the characterization of vector spaces as merely a set of rules.

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Some participants note that the definitions and axioms of vector spaces depend on the context of the field being used, which may lead to different interpretations or applications.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals seeking to understand the foundational concepts of vector spaces in mathematics, particularly in linear algebra.

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Hi i have two questions regarding this definition: "A vector space is a set that is closed under finite vector addition and scalar multiplication"

First of all, is it correctly that a vector space simply is a set of rules that are assigned to a set of vector, the rules are addition and multiplication, and if we apply these rules the set of vecturs are in the vectorspace V?

What does it mean that a set is closed under vector addition and scalar multiplication?
 
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hi christian0710! :smile:
christian0710 said:
First of all, is it correctly that a vector space simply is a set of rules that are assigned to a set of vector, the rules are addition and multiplication, and if we apply these rules the set of vecturs are in the vectorspace V?

i don't understand :redface:
What does it mean that a set is closed under vector addition and scalar multiplication?

it means the obvious … if you add two vectors (or multiply a vector by a scalar), the result is still a vector in the space
 
Start with an arbitrary set of elements, call it V. Then define a special kind of function known as a binary operation on V which we call addition,
⊕ : V × V → V | (v,w) ↦ ⊕(v,w) = v ⊕ w.
This map must satisfy certain obvious & intuitive axioms. Second define a second function known as scalar multiplication,
⊗ : F × V → V | (λ,w) ↦ ⊗(λ,w) = λ ⊗ w,
where F is defined to be a field. This map must also satisfy certain axioms. Thus we have constructed the structure (V,⊕,⊗) known as a vector space. Only within a structure like this can we use the word vector meaningfully, i.e. a vector is an element of the set V in (V,⊕,⊗) that we can manipulate using the maps ⊕ & ⊗ (so the use of the word vector is an informal way of saying that the thing, say v, we're dealing with behaves in a certain manner, i.e. it behaves in the way our axioms allow). The way you've said it is a bit tautological, you can't really speak of a set of vectors until after you've constructed a vector space...

Now as for closure, a function f : S → T is closed if f(x) ∈ T is always true. So for example the function + : {1,2} × {1,2} → {1,2} (which you can think of as a restriction of the addition function on the integers to {1,2} into {1,2}) is not closed on {1,2} because 2 + 2 = 4 ∉ {1,2}. So in the case of vector spaces you'd say that S is closed under vector addition and scalar multiplication if you can construct (S,⊕,⊗), where ⊕ & ⊗ are defined on S satisfying the vector space axioms & the operations are closed on S, basically ⊕(v,w) ∈ S & ⊗(λ,w) ∈ S always holds. This is useful because when you have a vector space (V,⊕,⊗) & you take some arbitrary subset of V, say W, you want to know whether W forms part of a vector space structure on it's own, i.e. (W,⊕,⊗) with ⊕ & ⊗ defined as they were on V (formally you take restrictions of these maps to the set W & want to know whether closure holds, i.e. (W,⊕|ᵂ,⊗|ᵂ), but you don't need to worry about this kind of formality too much).
 
sponsoredwalk said:
Start with an arbitrary set of elements, call it V. Then define a special kind of function known as a binary operation on V which we call addition,
⊕ : V × V → V | (v,w) ↦ ⊕(v,w) = v ⊕ w.
This map must satisfy certain obvious & intuitive axioms. Second define a second function known as scalar multiplication,
⊗ : F × V → V | (λ,w) ↦ ⊗(λ,w) = λ ⊗ w,
where F is defined to be a field. This map must also satisfy certain axioms. Thus we have constructed the structure (V,⊕,⊗) known as a vector space. Only within a structure like this can we use the word vector meaningfully, i.e. a vector is an element of the set V in (V,⊕,⊗) that we can manipulate using the maps ⊕ & ⊗ (so the use of the word vector is an informal way of saying that the thing, say v, we're dealing with behaves in a certain manner, i.e. it behaves in the way our axioms allow). The way you've said it is a bit tautological, you can't really speak of a set of vectors until after you've constructed a vector space...
I agree with all of this. A vector space is a triple (V,⊕,⊗) that satisfies a number of conditions. The set V is called the underlying set of the vector space (V,⊕,⊗). A vector is a member of the underlying set of a vector space.

sponsoredwalk said:
Now as for closure, a function f : S → T is closed if f(x) ∈ T is always true.
The notation f : S → T means that T is the codomain of f. If T is the codomain of f, then it's always true that f(x)∈T for all x in S. The range f(X)={f(x)|x∈S} is always a subset of the codomain.

sponsoredwalk said:
So for example the function + : {1,2} × {1,2} → {1,2} (which you can think of as a restriction of the addition function on the integers to {1,2} into {1,2}) is not closed on {1,2} because 2 + 2 = 4 ∉ {1,2}.

The restriction of the addition operation on the integers to {1,2} is a function from {1,2} into the set of integers. Restriction only changes the domain, not the codomain.

What you should be saying here is that the set {1,2} isn't closed under addition, because 1+2=3 isn't in {1,2}.
 
christian0710 said:
First of all, is it correctly that a vector space simply is a set of rules that are assigned to a set of vector, the rules are addition and multiplication, and if we apply these rules the set of vecturs are in the vectorspace V?
I wouldn't say that a vector space is a "set of rules".

Suppose that V is a set, ##\mathbb F## is a field (in pretty much all the interesting examples, ##\mathbb F## is either ℝ or ℂ), A is a map from V×V into V, and S is a map from ##\mathbb F##×V into V. The triple (V,A,S) is said to be a vector space if the eight conditions listed here are satisfied. The conditions are written out using the notations A(x,y)=x+y and S(a,x)=ax.

If (V,A,S) is a vector space,
  • the map A is called addition, and we use the notation x+y instead of A(x,y).
  • the map S is called scalar multiplication, and we use the notation ax instead of S(a,x).
  • the set V is called the underlying set of the vector space (V,A,S).
  • the members of V are called vectors.
  • the members of ##\mathbb F## are called scalars.
christian0710 said:
What does it mean that a set is closed under vector addition and scalar multiplication?
Addition is a function ##V\times V\to V##. Scalar multiplication is a function ##\mathbb F\times V\to V##, where ##\mathbb F## is a field. A set ##S\subset V## is said to be closed under addition if x+y is in S for all x,y in S. A set ##S\subset V## is said to be closed under scalar multiplication if λx is in S for all λ in ##\mathbb F## and all x in S.
 
Thank you guys! I'm on the way out, but will be studying and reading it this weekend. I appreciate your help in advance!
 

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