Void between Plank particle and Quark.... what else?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter jeanmarc69
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Particle Quark
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the perceived size gap between the Planck particle and quarks, exploring the implications of this void in terms of potential objects that might exist between these scales. Participants raise questions about the nature of size in the universe, the existence of limits to size, and the characteristics of objects at different scales.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the existence of a "Planck particle," noting that in the standard model, particles are considered point-like and do not have a defined size.
  • There is a suggestion that a gap may exist between the mass of known particles and the Planck energy, but it is unclear if such a gap exists due to limitations in current collider technology.
  • One participant raises the question of whether the universe can produce an infinite number of sizes or if there is a granularity that limits this concept.
  • Another participant discusses the observation that objects appear round at certain scales and non-round at others, suggesting a pattern in object formation that varies with scale.
  • Concerns are expressed about the validity of numerical assignments to particles below the quark size, with a call for caution regarding assumptions in the discussion.
  • There is mention of the need for new physics to describe processes at the Planck length, indicating a potential gap in current theoretical frameworks.
  • Some participants note that there are non-spherical structures at various scales, challenging the notion that all objects must conform to a round shape.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of a "Planck particle" and the implications of size gaps in the universe. There is no consensus on whether an infinite number of sizes can exist or if there are limits, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of object formation at different scales.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that current theories of physics may not adequately describe phenomena at the Planck scale, indicating a potential limitation in understanding size and structure in the universe.

jeanmarc69
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Hi-

Between the Planck particle and the Quark, these is a sizeable relative difference of about 10^15, or in other words and size unit, as if there were no objet whose size would stand between ours (about 1.70 m) and Antares... this is not only about vacuum (or void) in absolute term but also about potential fill rate between these two units of measure.

My questions: Why such a void between 10^-35 and 10^-20? Why not between two other size limits?
Does any other object exist between these Quark and Plank particle?

Thanks !
 
Physics news on Phys.org
There is no "planck particle", or at least nothing like that has ever been observed or even predicted.
In the standard model, particles do not have a size, they are point-like.
Be careful with questions that make various assumptions already, because those assumptions can be wrong and then it is hard to impossible to answer the questions.

A gap that could exist is between the mass of the known particles and the Planck energy. We don't know if there is a gap - we simply do not have colliders powerful enough to discover potential particles in that gap. The Planck scale could also be much lower, if there are small extra dimensions. And if there is a gap, we do not know why it exists.
All those questions are studied in particle physics.
 
Thank for your reply

FYI, my question was based on this YouTube film:"Size comparison of the universe 2016".


Actually what stroke me are those gaps between the different objects in the micro world.
For me the question is: Can the universe produce an infinite number of sizes from the "smallest" to the "biggest" object or is there any granularity that limit this scheme?
Also interesting: It seems that from particles to a certain size limit, objects are "round", then they are not (like cells, trees, us, etc.) and from a certain threshold gravity makes them round again, then those objects looke like filaments, clusters not really round. In other words object forms alternate from round to others depending on the scale. Doe it make sense ?
 
Forget all the numbers assigned to things below the upper size limit for the quark. The neutrino numbers are just nonsense and the others are at best hypothetical.
jeanmarc69 said:
For me the question is: Can the universe produce an infinite number of sizes from the "smallest" to the "biggest" object or is there any granularity that limit this scheme?
There could be a lower limit - we don't know. Our current theories of physics cannot describe processes of the size of the Planck length, which means there has to be some new physics. Everything larger than a lower limit (or everything, if such a limit does not exist) up to the size of the observable universe can in theory be studied.
jeanmarc69 said:
Also interesting: It seems that from particles to a certain size limit, objects are "round", then they are not (like cells, trees, us, etc.) and from a certain threshold gravity makes them round again, then those objects looke like filaments, clusters not really round. In other words object forms alternate from round to others depending on the scale. Doe it make sense ?
There are nuclei that are not spherical. Everything smaller than lacks the structure to be non-spherical to our knowledge. The earth/moon system and Jupiter's moon system are not round, and at the size of stars. There are round and non-round structures on every scale.
 
Yes indeed a lot of things on Internet...

Thank you for your replies !
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
4K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
6K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
13K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
15K