Voting Proposition Help: Appraisal for Water Stewardship Land

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The discussion revolves around a Texas ballot proposition concerning the appraisal for ad valorem tax purposes of open space land dedicated to water stewardship. Participants explore the implications of the proposition, particularly the phrase "on the basis of its productive capacity," and express varying degrees of skepticism and curiosity about the motivations behind such propositions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of "productive capacity" in relation to water stewardship land and questions the current basis for tax assessment.
  • Another participant suggests that the term "water stewardship" implies nature conservation but admits uncertainty about its specific meaning.
  • A different viewpoint expresses cynicism about the proposition, suggesting it primarily benefits politicians financially.
  • One participant provides links to external resources for further information on the proposition, noting that they did not find the initial search helpful.
  • Another participant acknowledges the usefulness of the provided links, even if they did not read them in detail.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the proposition's implications and motivations, with no consensus reached on its purpose or impact. Some participants are skeptical of the political motivations behind such propositions, while others focus on seeking clarity about the tax implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of terms related to the proposition, particularly "productive capacity" and "water stewardship." There is also a lack of clarity about the current tax assessment methods for the land in question.

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Hey all. Just got my ballot into vote on some propositions (I vote for Texas legislature) but I'm not sure what one of them really means.

The constitutional amendment providing for the appraisal for ad valorem tax purposes of open space land devoted to water stewardship purposes on the basis of its productive capacity.

I know what an ad valorem tax is, but I have no idea what it means by the "on the basis of it's productive capacity" part. Is this land that's devoted to water stewardship doing some kind of water processing or something? What is the tax currently based off of?
 
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Since you are in the USA and I am not, I can base this only upon my understanding of Yank greed. That, of course, is dependent upon who is in charge. An organisation such as Ducks Unlimited will have a far different approach to the matter than will either the EPA or a real estate developer. The term "water stewardship" implies to me some sort of nature conservation, but I don't know for sure.
In your position, as a caring taxpayer, I would request a clarification in layman's terms before voting.
Just my opinion, since I'm not one of you, but that's what I would do here in Canada.
 
You don't need to know complcated stuff like what an ad valorem tax is.

The proposition means "if this proposition is carried, your politicians will get richer". Exactly the same as every other proposition on the ballot paper.
 
Do I detect a hint of cynicism?
 
Danger said:
Do I detect a hint of cynicism?

Compare the total expenditure on national election campaigns in the UK and US:

UK 2005: £44m
US 2008: $1601m
UK 2010: £34m

Sources: http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/news-and-media/news-releases/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-donations/parties-spend-31-million-at-uk-general-election
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_for_the_2008_United_States_presidential_election

People don't pay that sort of money for nothing, even at the UK's cut-price rates.
 
A Google search for "texas ballot propositions 2011" led me to this page:

http://votexas.org/exp-statements-2011.html

which didn't tell me much about the purpose of the proposition, but it did tell me that it it's Proposition 8. A further search for "texas proposition 8" led me to

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Texas_Water-Stewardship_Tax_Amendment,_Proposition_8_(2011)

which has some more information, including pro and con arguments. The other hits for that search probably have useful information, but I didn't bother pursuing it further because I'm in South Carolina so it's not my ballot.
 
Aleph, you have got to either work on your sense of humour or quit responding to my jokes. I don't have time to explain them to you.
 
AlephZero said:
You don't need to know complcated stuff like what an ad valorem tax is.

The proposition means "if this proposition is carried, your politicians will get richer". Exactly the same as every other proposition on the ballot paper.

I don't care what your opinion on politicians is, this isn't the thread about it. If you can't stick to the topic then please don't post.
 
Jtbell that is exactly what I needed! Thanks so much! I tried searching on google, but I guess I didn't type in the right phrase lol.
 
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JT, those are very cool links. I didn't actually read them, since they have no relevance in my life, but I did score enough of a glimpse to realize how appropriate they are to the original question. Nice catch.
 

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