Warsaw Uprising - 70th anniversary

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The discussion centers around the 70th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising, exploring its historical significance, the events surrounding it, and the contemporary commemorations. Participants reflect on the impact of the uprising on Polish history and identity, as well as the broader implications of World War II atrocities.

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  • One participant summarizes the Warsaw Uprising, noting the underground Polish Home Army's attack on German forces and the tragic loss of life, including civilians, during the conflict.
  • Another participant references a video article from The Economist, suggesting a perspective on Poland's historical suffering and its geopolitical position between Russia and Germany.
  • A participant shares personal reflections on the anniversary celebrations, detailing local tributes to the insurgents and the city's history, including the use of sirens and fireworks as part of the commemorative events.
  • There is a reiteration of the tragic nature of the uprising and the broader context of World War II, emphasizing the atrocities committed during the war.

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Participants express a shared recognition of the significance of the Warsaw Uprising and its tragic consequences, but there is no consensus on specific interpretations or implications of the events discussed.

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Some statements reflect personal experiences and local commemorative practices, which may not encompass the full historical context or differing perspectives on the uprising.

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Today is a 70th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_uprising

In short: underground Polish Home Army attacked Germans to liberate Warsaw in anticipation of incoming Soviet front. Despite being outnumbered and having only limited supplies they managed to fight for 63 days. Up to 200,000 people died (mostly civilians, many in mass executions), almost entire city was wiped out (partly during uprising, partly afterwards, as a German revenge). Soviet army stopped on the eastern bank of Vistula river and watched.

One of the most tragic events of the WW2, in many ways.
 
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Reading Poland's history often makes me think of this video article from The Economist:



(snip)

In Britain's place should come Poland, which has suffered quite enough in its location between Russia and Germany, and deserves a chance to enjoy the bracing winds of the North Atlantic and the security of sea water between it an any potential invaders.

(snip)
 
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Celebration is a really, really huge thing here.

Uprising started on August 1st, at 17.00 p.m.

That was a year ago, close to the place I was born:



Same place, yesterday:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10203555631464847&fref=nf

(I can't find the video on youtube yet).

A lot of fine print here, but let's take the situation at face value - this is a tribute given today to insurgents and the city. Sirens are run by the city and they are part of the official celebrations, fireworks were started by fans of Warsaw football clubs.

Stolen from a friend of mine:

attachment.php?attachmentid=71820&stc=1&d=1406967833.jpg


(Kotwica was a symbol of Armia Krajowa, underground Polish army).

These are not parts of the official celebrations - these are just small groups of people wanting to show they remember. Hundreds of such groups.
 

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Not different - just more professional:

 
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Borek said:
One of the most tragic events of the WW2, in many ways.

Such a terrible war. So very many atrocities were committed by so many people.
 

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