What Are Gravity, Dark Matter, and Atoms?

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This discussion explores fundamental questions about gravity, dark matter, and atomic structure. Participants delve into the nature of gravity, its origins and effects, the concept of dark matter and dark energy, and the composition of atoms, including the forces that hold them together. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual inquiries rather than definitive answers.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin and mechanics of gravity, asking if it emanates from the center of Earth and how it affects all atoms simultaneously.
  • Another participant suggests that gravity is a property of space, distorted by mass, which affects particles moving through it without needing to travel.
  • There is a discussion about dark matter, with questions about its nature and how it constitutes a significant portion of the universe despite being invisible.
  • One participant clarifies that dark energy is not related to black holes and is a property of space that causes repulsion between empty regions, contributing to the universe's expansion.
  • Questions are raised about the internal structure of neutrons and protons, with mention of quarks, and the forces that hold atoms together, emphasizing that gravity is too weak for this purpose.
  • Some participants note that physics often explains observed behavior rather than providing ultimate explanations, leading to further questions rather than clear answers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of gravity, dark matter, and atomic structure, with no consensus reached on these complex topics. The discussion remains open-ended, with multiple competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that many questions posed have not been scientifically proven, and there are limitations in understanding the deeper mechanisms behind the phenomena discussed.

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Hi , I am rather new to this (well just found the site today) and I was wondering weather any of you knew the answers to my questions? I have searched the internet for any theories on the questions bit without and success, and I would like to hear your views.

My first question is about gravity, where does it come from , how does it work (I know it is the force between two masses)? On Earth how does it work, does it come for the centre, if so what happens at the centre? Does it travel in a straight line or in a wave? If it does come from the centre how is it possible for it the simultaneously affect every single atom at the same time?

Secondly I would like to understand dark matter? What on Earth (well not on earth) is it. how does it fill 78% of our universe with us being able to see it. where does it come from, is dark energy what is emitted from dark holes?

Thirdly I would like to understand the simple atom. What is truly inside neutrons and protons? If atoms are mainly made up of space are they kept together by their own gravity field, being pushed and pull simultaneously? How is it possible that all these uncountable atoms, for some reason decide to drift together randomly to form what we know, to form you? When they are mostly (in the mostly liberal term) air and when the inter atomic forces are always changing, why in this split second (in the big scheme of things) they make what they are?

I know that most of these questions have not been scientifically proven, I was curious of any theories you might have? Thanks :smile:
 
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May I suggest that to avoid confusion, and to ensure your post is in the appropriate forum, that you ask ONE type of question at a time and wait for the ensuing discussion before posting another question (which may or may not fit into the existing thread). If not, you will have a jumbled answer covering various things from different places. This isn't the way to get a clear, coherent answer, at least, not in a public forum such as this.

In addition, please make sure you have reviewed the PF guidelines.

Zz.
 
Firstly as Zapper said, having the whole of astrophysics explained to you in one post is unlikely!
Second physics generally doesn't explain how things are - it explains how they appear to behave. We have a series of models which we believe are the best explanations of observed behaviour - but there is a always a deeper level of 'but why does it do that'.
You should read some popular explanations of space and physics, look for a series of books called "in search of ..." by John Gribbin.

andyp said:
My first question is about gravity, where does it come from , how does it work (I know it is the force between two masses)? On Earth how does it work, does it come for the centre, if so what happens at the centre? Does it travel in a straight line or in a wave? If it does come from the centre how is it possible for it the simultaneously affect every single atom at the same time?
Gravity is a property of space. Space is distorted by the presence of mass which bends space. Particles in and moving through space feel the effects of the bends and move along them.
Gravity doesn't have to travel to effect a particle because the particle is moving through space that is already bent. Changes in gravity do travel at the speed of light.

Secondly I would like to understand dark matter? What on Earth (well not on earth) is it. how does it fill 78% of our universe with us being able to see it. where does it come from, is dark energy what is emitted from dark holes?
Dark energy is not a very good term - and is nothing to do with black holes etc. 'Dark' just means doesn't light up.
It seems to be a property of space which causes otherwise empty space to repel other empty space. Because of quantum effect, empty space isn't really empty. It is possible for pairs of particles to appear from no-where and repel each other, it seems that this effect is causing the universe to expand at a faster rate than we expect.

Thirdly I would like to understand the simple atom. What is truly inside neutrons and protons? If atoms are mainly made up of space are they kept together by their own gravity field, being pushed and pull simultaneously?
Inside neutrons and protons are other particles called quarks, at the moment we don't know what is inside quarks - or even if there is anything.
Gravity is much too weak a force to hold atoms together. The protons in the nuecleas are all positively charged and so would try and fly apart, they are held together by a much stronger force, similairly the quarks in individual protons and neutrons are held together by a different force.

We have theories which predict the behaviour of these forces - but that doesn't explain what they are or why they should be there.
I know this has raised more questions than it answered - that's physics!
You should probably look at some popular science books and magazines.
 

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