What Defines the Efficient Cause in Aristotle's Philosophy?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of efficient cause in Aristotle's philosophy, exploring its definitions and applications across various examples, including exams, flowers, and abstract concepts like triangles. Participants engage in clarifying the distinctions between the four causes: efficient, formal, material, and final.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the efficient cause of an exam is the person who wrote it, suggesting that the final cause relates to testing knowledge.
  • Another participant agrees that the efficient cause of an exam is indeed the writer, proposing that the final cause is to test knowledge of the material.
  • There is a discussion about the material cause of the exam being paper and ink, with agreement on this point.
  • Participants debate the efficient cause of a flower, with suggestions including evolution, sunlight, and more specifically, pollen or germination of the seed.
  • Regarding the efficient cause of an abstract concept like a triangle, one participant argues that not all four causes apply, noting the absence of material and questioning the existence of an efficient cause.
  • Another participant suggests that the formal cause of a triangle could be defined by the organization of line segments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on some definitions and examples of the efficient cause, but there is disagreement on its application to abstract concepts and the specific examples provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the efficient cause of abstract ideas.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the applicability of the four causes to different scenarios are not fully explored, and there is a lack of consensus on how these concepts translate to abstract ideas.

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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-causality/#FouCau

I'm confused by this

The efficient cause: “the primary source of the change or rest”, e.g., the artisan, the art of bronze-casting the statue, the man who gives advice, the father of the child.

So.. the efficient cause of an exam is the person who wrote the exam?
The fact that we need to test what people know is the final cause? The material cause is paper? The formal cause is the shape of the paper and all the questions that make up the exam?

The efficient cause of a flower is evolution? Or sunlight? Or...?

The efficient cause of an abstract concept like a triangle? Every person who imagines a triangle? The apparatus in our brain that allow us to conceptualize a triangle? Or do abstract ideas have no efficient causes?

Thanks for your help
 
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RabbitWho said:
So.. the efficient cause of an exam is the person who wrote the exam?
Yes. I would agree.

Aristotle's so-called 'efficient cause' is more closely related to what we consider cause-effect relationships today. So the example that the 'father is the efficient cause of the child' might be replaced today by saying that the child was caused by conception.

RabbitWho said:
The fact that we need to test what people know is the final cause?
That seems too general in this case. Perhaps the final cause of the exam is to simply to test your knowledge of the material.

RabbitWho said:
The material cause is paper?
Sure. And the ink.

RabbitWho said:
The formal cause is the shape of the paper and all the questions that make up the exam?
I think that is a reasonable way to say it.

RabbitWho said:
The efficient cause of a flower is evolution? Or sunlight? Or...?
Mmm. I think this is more akin to the efficient cause of a child. Perhaps the pollen and/or the germination of the seed is the efficient cause here.

RabbitWho said:
The efficient cause of an abstract concept like a triangle?
I don't think that each of the four causes apply here but we might need a philosopher to chime in
a) there is no material so there can be no material cause
b) the formal cause could be line segments organized so that they form a triangle (the definition of triangle is the formal cause?)
c) there is no change or lack thereof so I don't think there can be an efficient cause
d) the final cause of an abstract concept is not immediately obvious to me unless it is being used for something.
 
Thanks! I think I am getting it
 
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