What is/is not science? Which science disciplines have testable theories?

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The discussion centers on defining what constitutes science and whether various scientific disciplines, such as evolutionary biology, geology, and cosmology, meet the criteria for being considered scientific. Participants explore the nature of testable hypotheses and the methods of scientific inquiry across different fields.

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  • One participant suggests that a defining characteristic of science is the involvement of empirically testable hypotheses, noting that physics and chemistry clearly meet this criterion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that science requires testing explanations against nature, mentioning both direct and indirect experiments as valid methods of scientific inquiry.
  • It is proposed that evolutionary biology, geology, and cosmology can be considered scientific fields because they utilize indirect evidence to test claims, despite challenges in direct observation.
  • A different viewpoint is introduced, stating that for a hypothesis to be scientific, it must be falsifiable, using the example of a non-falsifiable question about angels to illustrate this point.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of science and the applicability of scientific methods to various disciplines. There is no consensus on a singular definition or the inclusion of all mentioned fields as scientific.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the definitions of science, particularly regarding the criteria for testability and falsifiability, and highlights the complexity of applying these criteria across different scientific disciplines.

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Hello all -

While discussing Darwin's Origin of Species with a friend, I was asked, "Do you really consider that 'science' "?

My response was, "Yes." But upon reflection, the conversation made me realize I do not have a good definition of what science is and is not.

Even after reading several books written for the express purpose of defining science, I'm still uncertain.

The closest thing I can come up with for a defining characteristic is that to be science, the endevor must involve empirically testable hypotheses.

As such, physics and chemistry quickly meet that criteria.

But does evolutionary biology? geology? cosmology? One can't really rewind time and see what happened, or see what would happen if we were to recreate the Earth (geology), life (evolution), or the universe (cosmology).

So, what is science? And do these and other discipline's qualify? Why?

Battling Webster
 
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"Science requires the testing of explanations of the natural world against nature itself, and discarding those explanations that do not work" (E. C. Scott, 2004, Evolution vs Creationism, U. California Press). The key words are "testing" and "nature"--and there are different types of testing, direct experiment is but one. There are also "indirect experiments" that form an important part of scientific knowledge. Some examples, giant planets have been discovered orbiting stars--yet we cannot observe the planets directly. Sub atomic particles are too small to be seen by physicist, yet indirect experiments can be used to test claims about the particles. Evolutionary theory rests on the same type of indirect experimental evidence, you use the information found in nature to test claims about the origin of species. So, yes, biology, geology, cosmology, (and let us add particle physics) are all fields of study that follow the methods of science. If I may suggest that you read the book cited above, the author deals directly with your question.
 
smithpa9 said:
The closest thing I can come up with for a defining characteristic is that to be science, the endevor must involve empirically testable hypotheses.

You have to go a bit further. It is not sufficient that the scientific method be used to test any hypothesis. The hypothesis must be falsifiable. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Since there is no way to count the number of angels no hypothesis can be formulated that can be proven wrong and so no falsifiable (scientific) hypothesis can be formulated.
 
Thanks!

Good answers Rade and Colion. Thank you.
 

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