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The discussion revolves around a specific type of group defined within the context of group theory, particularly focusing on the cyclic ring of integers mod 12. Participants are exploring the properties of the defined group, its actions, and its relationship to other groups, as well as the implications of these definitions.

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  • One participant introduces a cyclic group defined by subsets of integers mod 12 and seeks clarification on its properties and similarities to other groups.
  • Another participant questions the mapping of the element 11 under the defined action, prompting a correction regarding the mapping process.
  • A later reply discusses the nature of group actions and suggests that the functions defined should be proven to form a group, raising questions about the dependencies on the type of algebraic structure involved.
  • There is a suggestion to consider whether similar constructions could apply to mod 6 arithmetic, indicating a potential area for further exploration.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of their definitions and whether the constructed group can be isomorphic to a subgroup of the original group.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of the group structure being discussed. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain unresolved, particularly regarding the nature of the group actions and their properties.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in defining the group and its actions, as well as the potential dependencies on the algebraic structures involved. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Hello. I have been looking into group theory for its applications to subject I am studying. I am not a mathematician by profession or training, but I find it has great use to any analytical pursuit. With that said, I have outlined below type of group that I would like to know more about. For example: what other groups are like it?, is there anything strange about the way I've defined this group?, what would help in my understanding of this group and groups like it?, etc. Thanks in advance!

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Let ##C## be the cyclic ring of integers mod 12. Please note that arithmetic with elements of ##C## and its subsets will be assumed to be mod 12 unless otherwise indicated. Define the set ##M_{k \in C}## as
##\{x : n \in \mathbb{Z}, k-1 \leq n \leq k+5, x \equiv 7n\}##​

For example, ##M_0 = \{0,2,4,5,7,9,11\}##. These subsets ##M_k## clearly do not form subgroups of ##C##; however, a group structure can be imposed on them. Define the action ##S_k## on ##M_k## as

##S_k:M_k×M_k,m≡7(x+k−1)↦7((x+_7 1)+k−1)##**​

Where ##+_7## is addition mod 7. For example, ##S_0## would map 4 onto 11 since ##x=3## in the equation ##4 \equiv 7(x + k - 1)## and ##7((x +_7 1) + k - 1) \equiv 11##. Two iterations of the action (i.e., ##S^2_k##) would then map each element to the next element (e.g., ##9 \mapsto 11, 11 \mapsto 0, 0 \mapsto 2,## etc. in ##M_0##).

The set ##\{S^n_k\}_{n \in Z, 0 \leq n \leq 6}## forms a cyclic action group (with ##S_k## as the group generator) on ##M_k##. The identity action is ##S^0_k \doteq S^7_k## and the inverse action is ##S^{-n \mod{7}}_k##.

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**Edited from x-k+1 to x+k-1
 
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May I ask what ##11## gets mapped to under ##S_0##?
 
micromass said:
May I ask what ##11## gets mapped to under ##S_0##?

I made a mistake. ##S_k## should be defined as

##S_k:M_k×M_k,m≡7(x+k-1)↦7((x+_7 1)+k-1)##​

in order to deal with the very case of ##S_0(11)##. In the equation ##11 \equiv 7(x + k - 1)##, ##x = 6## and so ##7((x+_7 1)+k-1) \equiv 5##. With this correction, ##11## gets mapped to ##5## under ##S_0##. Sorry for the mistake!
 
Someone2841 said:
is there anything strange about the way I've defined this group?,

Define the action ##S_k## on ##M_k## as

The only context that I'm familiar with for "actions" on sets is that there is a definition for a group action on a set. (Google tells me that there is also definition of a ring action - and a neat definition of a module: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/100565/why-are-ring-actions-much-harder-to-find-than-group-actions. ) To define a group action, you'd normally start with the group and show how it acts on a set. I think what you should do is define the "functions" S_k and prove the set of functions forms a group. The abstract group that it forms then has the "group action" on the set specified by the functions.

I don't know what part of your result depends only on having a ring-with-identity, a commutative ring with identity, or a field. You might think about whether a similar construction works when applied to mod 6 arithmetic.

An abstract and uspecific way to ask questions about your example is:

We have a finite group (or a ring) G. G acts on its own elements. As a group of functions, G may not contain enough functions to implement all possible permutations of those elements. Suppose we have a proper subset M of the elements of G and we define a set S of mappings of M onto itself. "in terms of" the operations of G. Further suppose that this set of functions S forms a group under the operation of composing functions. Must the group S be isomorphic to some subgroup (or subring) of G ? (i.e. can we implement the functions in the group S by functions that define the action of G on its elements?) Or is it possible to do something "fundamentally new" by creating an S in such a manner.

I'd guess such questions have been investigated, but I don't know good keywords for searching for results.
 
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