What is the ideal timetable duration for a complete train journey?

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The discussion revolves around determining the ideal timetable duration for a complete train journey, involving calculations based on distance and speed using a velocity-time graph. The subject area includes kinematics and motion analysis.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the total time for a train journey using distance and speed, breaking it down into segments. Some participants question the calculations and the interpretation of variables, particularly regarding the time allowances for stops and acceleration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the calculations, providing feedback on the original poster's approach. There is a mix of agreement and clarification on specific points, particularly regarding the interpretation of time allowances and the correct application of formulas. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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There is mention of specific time allowances for stops at intermediate stations, which may influence the overall calculations. Some participants note potential confusion regarding the units of time used in the calculations.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
understanding of the ##v-t## graph
The question is below;
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My approach;
and kindly note that i am comfortable in using the si units. Here i used,
##60##km/hr = ##16.66666##m/s.

For part (a),

using the ##v-t## graph,
##→s_1##=(##\frac {1}{2}##×##180×16.666)##+(##\frac {1}{2}##×##60##×##16.666##)
##=1500+500=2000##m
Total distance from Aytown to City is ##9000+7000=16000##metres
Therefore the remainder portion is ##16000-2000=14000##m. The time taken to cover this ##14000## m is given by;
##t##=##\frac{14000}{16.6666}##= ##840## seconds.
The timetable therefore should give an allowance of ##t=180+60+840=1080## seconds = ##18##
minutes.

For part (b),
using the ##v-t## graph,
Total distance from Aytown to Beeburg is ##9000##metres
##→s_1##=(##\frac {1}{2}##×##180×16.666)##+(##\frac {1}{2}##×##60##×##16.666##)
##=1500+500=2000##m
Therefore the remainder portion is ##9000-2000=7000##m. The time taken to cover this ##7000## m is given by;
##t##=##\frac{7000}{16.6666}##= ##420## seconds.

Total distance from Beeburg to City is ##7000##metres
##→s_1##=(##\frac {1}{2}##×##180×16.666)##+(##\frac {1}{2}##×##60##×##16.666##)
##=1500+500=2000##m
Therefore the remainder portion is ##7000-2000=5000##m. The time taken to cover this ##5000## m is given by;
##t##=##\frac{5000}{16.6666}##= ##300## seconds.
The timetable therefore should give an allowance of ##t=180+60+420+1+180+300+60=1201## seconds = ##20.016666##
minutes.
The time allocated should be ##21## minutes...bingo:cool:

any other approach guys...
 
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Hi @chwala ,

What is $$
s_1=(12×180×16.666)+(12×60×16.666)
$$in symbols ? And in words ?

[edit] check your units on$$
t=180+60+420+1+180+300+60=1201$$##\ ##
 
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BvU said:
Hi @chwala ,

What is $$
s_1=(12×180×16.666)+(12×60×16.666)
$$in symbols ? And in words ?

[edit] check your units on$$
t=180+60+420+1+180+300+60=1201$$##\ ##
The units are just fine ...##1201## seconds, ##s_1## was the first portion of the ##v-t## graph...
 
##s_1## is something else !

What is the 1 second for ?

##\ ##
 
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I hope this is clear for part (a)...
 
BvU said:
##s_1## is something else !

What is the 1 second for ?

##\ ##
This is for part (b) of the question, i guess i need to change the font color to distinguish between the two parts. Consider the original question they had indicated, ...at an intermediate station ##1## minute is allowed...
 
So ##s_1## is the distance needed to come up to speed and to decelerate to a stop. And to calculate it you use your favourite ##s = \frac 1 2 (v_{\rm start} + v_{\rm end})\,t\ ## which is fine.

1 second is not the same as one minute ! You want to add 60, not 1 for the stop.

Other than that, just fine. Bravo!

##\ ##
 
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BvU said:
So ##s_1## is the distance needed to come up to speed and to decelerate to a stop. And to calculate it you use your favourite ##s = \frac 1 2 (v_{\rm start} + v_{\rm end})\,t\ ## which is fine.

1 second is not the same as one minute ! You want to add 60, not 1 for the stop.

Other than that, just fine. Bravo!

##\ ##
That's right...yeah i should have converted the ##1## minute into seconds...let me post the correct solution after this post.
 
...for part (b)...

The timetable therefore should give an allowance of ##t=180+60+420+60+180+300+60=1260## seconds = ##21## minutes.
The time allocated should be ##21## minutes...bingo:cool:
 
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