What is the Inverse of Exponential Functions with Different Bases?

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse of the function defined by the expression y = 3^-x + 9^-x, which involves exponential functions with different bases. Participants are exploring the implications of this function's structure and its potential inverses.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss rewriting the expression and formulating it as a quadratic equation. There are attempts to clarify the nature of the function's inverse and the conditions under which it may exist. Some participants question the assumptions about the function's behavior and its domain.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and exploring different interpretations of the function's properties. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the inverse and the necessity of restricting the domain to achieve a unique inverse. Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, but no consensus has been reached.

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There are considerations regarding the positivity of the terms involved and the implications of the quadratic nature of the function. The discussion also touches on the need for domain restrictions to ensure the existence of a true inverse.

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y = 3^-x + 9^-x

ln(y) = ln(3^-x + 9^-x)

don't know where to go from here.
 
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Basically you want to make x the subject.

Hint 1: What can you rewrite 9^(-x) as?
Hint 2: Solve for 3^(-x) by formulating the problem as a quadratic equation
 
ishant said:

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y = 3^-x + 9^-x

ln(y) = ln(3^-x + 9^-x)

don't know where to go from here.
Logarithms won't help initially.

Follow Fightfish's advice directly, or first let u = 3-x, so u2 = (3-x)2 =   ?   ... and then look at this as a quadratic equation.
 
And because it reduces to a quadratic, this function does NOT have a true "inverse". You can reduce the domain to two intervals so the restricted functions have inverses.
 
But since 3-x is always positive we can eliminate one of the solutions to the quadratic and be left with a unique inverse, right? This is of course only if the domain only includes real numbers.
 
InfinityZero said:
But since 3-x is always positive we can eliminate one of the solutions to the quadratic and be left with a unique inverse, right? This is of course only if the domain only includes real numbers.
Yes, that's correct, at least for this function.

The fact that this function, f(x) = 3-x + 9-x, does have a true inverse can also be seen by noticing that f(x) is strictly decreasing.
 
HallsofIvy said:
And because it reduces to a quadratic, this function does NOT have a true "inverse". You can reduce the domain to two intervals so the restricted functions have inverses.

InfinityZero said:
But since 3-x is always positive we can eliminate one of the solutions to the quadratic and be left with a unique inverse, right? This is of course only if the domain only includes real numbers.

SammyS said:
Yes, that's correct, at least for this function.

The fact that this function, f(x) = 3-x + 9-x, does have a true inverse can also be seen by noticing that f(x) is strictly decreasing.
While we wait for OP (ishant) to return, i''l take the opportunity to amplify my above reply to the above quotes from HallsofIvy and InfinityZero.

'Halls', of course, is correct in general. A quadratic function does not have a true inverse, unless the domain of the quadratic function is restricted appropriately.

InfinityZero was correct about the function, f(x) = 3-x + 9-x, having a unique inverse, that is to say, an inverse which is truly a function. However, the reason 'IZ' gives, could stand to be elaborated upon. The reason that we can eliminate one of the two solutions to the quadratic equation which results when solving for 3-x, is that 3-x is a positive quantity and one of the solutions is positive while the other is strictly negative.

Let's look at a slightly different function for an example of what 'Halls' cautioned about.
Suppose we want to solve y = 9-x - 3-x for x.

Let F(x) = 9-x - 3-x.

F is not 1 to 1. It has a minimum of -1/4 at x = log3(2) .

Now to solve y = 9-x - 3-x for x:

Let t = 3-x. Substituting that into the equation for y gives:

t2 - t = y .

Add 1/4 to both sides to complete the square giving:

(t - 1/2)2 = y + 1/4

Solving for t gives us:

[itex]\displaystyle t=\frac{1}{2}\pm\sqrt{y+\frac{1}{4}}[/itex]

Since x = -log3(t), our solution is:

[itex]\displaystyle x=-\log_{\,3}\left(\frac{1}{2}\pm\sqrt{y+\frac{1}{4}} \right)[/itex]

If we restrict the domain of F to x ≤ log3(2), then F-1(x) is the result with the minus sign.

[itex]\displaystyle F^{-1}(y)=-\log_{\,3}\left(\frac{1}{2}-\sqrt{y+\frac{1}{4}} \right)[/itex]

This is valid for any y such that y ≥ -1/4 .

On the other hand, if we restrict the domain of F to x ≥ log3(2), then F-1(x) is the result with the plus sign.

[itex]\displaystyle F^{-1}(y)=-\log_{\,3}\left(\frac{1}{2}+\sqrt{y+\frac{1}{4}} \right)[/itex]

This is valid for any y such that -1/4 ≤ y < 0 .​
Here is a graph of F(x) = 9-x - 3-x as given by WolframAlpha.
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I deleted the subthread about the approximate solutions as it will likely only serve to confuse the OP.
 

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