What is the mistake in this supposed proof?

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving a differential equation defined by the expression $$y'(x)=-sign y, y(0)=0$$. Participants are examining a supposed proof and attempting to identify mistakes in the reasoning, particularly focusing on the use of limits and the definition of a syllogism in this context.

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  • One participant presents a sequence of functions and claims that the limit leads to a solution of the differential equation, specifically $$\phi(x)=-x$$.
  • Another participant questions where the syllogism is located in the reasoning, seeking clarity on the logical structure of the argument.
  • Several participants discuss the definition of a syllogism and express uncertainty about how the reasoning fits this logical framework, suggesting that a different term might be more appropriate.
  • One participant notes that the conclusion drawn may rely on an unstated theorem, which could lead to paradoxical results if assumptions are not met.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to clarify the assumptions and theorems relevant to the problem, suggesting that understanding the context is crucial for evaluating the proof.

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Participants generally agree that the reasoning presented may be flawed, but there is no consensus on the exact nature of the mistake or the appropriate terminology to describe the logical structure of the argument.

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Participants highlight the importance of understanding the assumptions underlying the theorems involved in the problem, indicating that missing or unclear assumptions could lead to incorrect conclusions.

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Hello! (Wave)

We consider the following problem

$$y'(x)=-sign y, y(0)=0$$

where $sign y$ is defined as follows:

$$sign y=\left\{\begin{matrix}
1 & , y \geq 0\\
-1 &,y<0
\end{matrix}\right.$$The consecutive approaches are:$$\phi_m(x)=\left\{\begin{matrix}
-x &, m=1,3,5,7, \dots \\
|x| &, m=2,4,6,8,\dots
\end{matrix}\right.$$

Find the mistake at the following syllogism:We consider the subsequence $\phi_k(x), k=2m+1, m=0,1,2,3, \dots$ and we take the limit , obviously

$$\lim_{k \to +\infty} \phi_k(x)=\lim_{k \to +\infty} (-x)=-x=\phi(x)$$Consequently $\phi(x)=-x$ is the solution of the problem in the whole $\mathbb{R}$.We have $\phi_k(x)=y_0+\int_{x_0}^x f(\xi, \phi_{k-1}(\xi)) d \xi$Can we not take the limit since $\phi_k$ and $\phi_{k-1}$ don't have the same value?In my notes it stands the following:$$1,2, \frac{1}{2}, 2, \frac{1}{3},2, \frac{1}{4},2, \dots \\ \frac{1}{n} \to 0$$

How do we find these values?
 
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Where exactly is the syllogism?
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Where exactly is the syllogism?

This part:

We consider the subsequence $\phi_k(x), k=2m+1, m=0,1,2,3, \dots$ and we take the limit , obviously

$$\lim_{k \to +\infty} \phi_k(x)=\lim_{k \to +\infty} (-x)=-x=\phi(x)$$Consequently $\phi(x)=-x$ is the solution of the problem in the whole $\mathbb{R}$.
 
A syllogism is a technical term in logic, and its meaning is an inference rule or its application. There are many different types of syllogisms. Some of the most famous are:

(1) $\forall x\in A\,P(x)$; $x_0\in A$; therefore, $P(x_0)$.

(2) $P$ implies $Q$; $Q$ implies $R$; therefore, $P$ implies $R$.

I don't see how your reasoning fits this pattern precisely. In particular, it is not clear what theorem you are using to conclude that $\phi(x)=−x$ is the solution of the problem.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
A syllogism is a technical term in logic, and its meaning is an inference rule or its application. There are many different types of syllogisms. Some of the most famous are:

(1) $\forall x\in A\,P(x)$; $x_0\in A$; therefore, $P(x_0)$.

(2) $P$ implies $Q$; $Q$ implies $R$; therefore, $P$ implies $R$.

I don't see how your reasoning fits this pattern precisely. In particular, it is not clear what theorem you are using to conclude that $\phi(x)=−x$ is the solution of the problem.

I didn't write it by myself , it is given at an exercise and I should deduce if it is right or wrong and justify why it is like that.
 
Well, first you may let your teacher know that "syllogism" is not the best term here, in my opinion. Perhaps he or she meant "reasoning", "conclusion", or "supposed proof".

Second, problems of this sort usually invoke some theorem, whose conclusion is paradoxical in that particular case. This usually happens when one of the assumptions of the theorem is not satisfied. But it should be clear which theorem is used. You should know better what topic your course is covering now. What are the approximations, where are they coming from?
 

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