What Is the pH of a 0.1300 M HCN Solution?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pH of a 0.1300 M hydrocyanic acid (HCN) solution, a weak acid, using its dissociation constant (Ka). Participants explore the setup of the problem, including the concentration calculations and assumptions regarding volume changes.

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  • One participant presents the dissociation equation for HCN and sets up the equilibrium expression for Ka, suggesting that the initial concentration of HCN is 0.14882428 M based on their calculations.
  • Another participant agrees with the setup but questions the volume calculation, suggesting that the concentration can be simplified to 0.13 M without considering the volume change due to the addition of HCN.
  • A third participant challenges the accuracy of the volume calculation, stating that it is not necessary to use the more precise volume and that assuming a total volume of 0.870 L is sufficient.

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Participants generally agree on the initial setup for calculating pH but disagree on the treatment of volume changes and the significance of using precise measurements versus approximations.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the impact of the volume change on concentration calculations and the use of significant figures in the context of the dissociation constant.

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Hydrocyanic acid is a weak acid (Ka = 4.9 x 10-10). If 0.1300 moles of gaseous HCN are dissolved in 0.8700 liters of water. Determine the pH of the HCN solution formed.

HCN + H2O <-> H3O+ + CN-

K_a = [CN-][H3O+]/[HCN]

M HCN = 0.1300 mol HCN/0.87351338 L = 0.14882428 M HCN ??

For L solution: 0.1300 mol HCN*(27.026 g/1 mol HCN) = 3.51338 g HCN

870 g H2O + 3.51338 g HCN = 873.51338 = 873.51338 mL = 0.87351338 L??

K_a = [x][x]/[0.14882428 - x]

Assuming 0.14882428 - x = 0.14882428,
x = sqrt(4.9 x 10-10*0.14882428) = 8.539549E-6 = [H3O+]

pH = -log(8.539549E-6) = 5.068565065 = 5.07 ?

Thanks.
 
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set up seems fine to me
 
Soaring Crane said:
870 g H2O + 3.51338 g HCN = 873.51338 = 873.51338 mL = 0.87351338 L??

You have only two significant digits in the Ka, thus you may safely assume concentration is 0.13/0.87M - and neglect volume change.

Rest is OK.
 
870 g H2O + 3.51338 g HCN = 873.51338 = 873.51338 mL = 0.87351338 L


That doesn't make a big difference, but it is not right. Just assume total V is .870 L .
 

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