What is the pH of a 6.0×10^-4 M NaNO2 Solution?

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The discussion focuses on determining the pH of a 6.0×10^-4 M NaNO2 solution, exploring the effects of water autodissociation and the equilibrium involving the nitrite ion (NO2^-). Participants engage in mathematical reasoning and explore different approaches to solve the problem, including the use of equilibrium expressions and polynomial equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the pH of the solution is 7.20 based on a known K_a value for HNO2 and provides an equilibrium expression involving NO2^- and H2O.
  • Another participant suggests that the autodissociation of water cannot be ignored and mentions obtaining a pH of 7.09 using an ICE table.
  • A later reply expresses confusion about solving a third-degree polynomial related to the equilibrium and questions the applicability of a formula involving K_a.
  • One participant proposes that the only source of pH change is the base NO2^- and refers to an external resource for pH calculation methods.
  • Another participant reflects on their approach and mentions that they arrived at the correct answer using a simpler method without needing to solve complex equations.
  • One participant describes a method involving approximations and relationships between concentrations, ultimately arriving at a pH value close to 7.2.

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Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating the pH, with some advocating for polynomial solutions while others find simpler methods effective. There is no consensus on a single method or final answer.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the problem, including the need to consider water's autodissociation and the challenges in applying equilibrium expressions accurately. Some participants note missing information regarding initial concentrations of acids.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators interested in acid-base chemistry, particularly in understanding the behavior of weak acids and their salts in solution.

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Homework Statement



It's all in the title. Correct answer: pH = 7,20. K_a (HNO_2) = 4,0 \cdot 10^{-4}

Homework Equations



K_b = \dfrac{K_w}{K_a}
K_b = \dfrac{HB^+ \cdot OH^-}{B}

The Attempt at a Solution



NaNO2 fully dissolves in water giving 6,0 \cdot 10^{-4} M \, NO2^-. Now water forms an equilibrium with NO2- as it gives H+ to NO2-:

NO_2 ^- + H_2 O \leftrightharpoons HNO_2 + OH^-

<br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> c &amp; NO_2^- &amp; HNO_2 &amp; OH^-\\<br /> \hline<br /> At \, start &amp; 6 \cdot 10^{-4} &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> At \, equilibrium &amp; 6 \cdot 10^{-4}-x &amp; x &amp; x<br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />

Now

K_b = \dfrac{x^2}{6 \cdot 10^{-4}-x} \leftrightarrow x^2 + K_b x - 6K_b \cdot 10^{-4} = 0 \\<br /> <br /> \rightarrow x = \dfrac{-K_b \stackrel{+}{(-)} \sqrt{(K_b)^2 - 4(1)(-6K_b \cdot 10^{-4})}}{2}<br /> = 1,22462 \cdot 10^{-7} = [HO^-]\\<br /> <br /> \rightarrow pH = 14 - pOH = 14 + lg[OH^-] = 7,088<br />

This is not the correct answer (7,20). What am I missing? Water? I only know the iterative process for determining the correct [H+] for low concentrations H+ (when water has an effect on the result as Zumdahl describes it), not OH-.

Can someone point me in the right direction?
 
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Looks like it is one of these cases where water autodissociation can't be ignored. 7.20 is an answer I got for an exact solution (done with BATE, pH calculator), 7.09 is what the ICE table produces.

In general this requires solving a 3rd degree polynomial.
 
Borek said:
Looks like it is one of these cases where water autodissociation can't be ignored. 7.20 is an answer I got for an exact solution (done with BATE, pH calculator), 7.09 is what the ICE table produces.

In general this requires solving a 3rd degree polynomial.

Ok, now I'm baffled, since unless the polynomial is in product form (=0) I don't think I know how to solve such a thing. So the formula K_a = \dfrac{[H^+]^2 - K_w}{[HA]_0 - \dfrac{[H^+]^2 - K_w}{[H^+]}} isn't going to help me here? What I thought of doing is finding out the [H+] from the calculated pH and using the above formula, but it would require knowing [HA]_0, meaning the amount of acid put into the solution before it dissociated. Sadly that is information I don't have (and there was no acid to begin with, just a salt of an acid).
 
Borek said:
Assuming NaOH (more precisely: Na+) can be ignored and the only source of pH change is the base NO2- you can follow approach described here:

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=pH-calculation&right=pH-acid-base-solution

You know the total amount of acid, why do you say you don't know it? It is what is given.

Turns out it was much simpler and I didn't have to go beyond what the book teaches. I tried the iteration process to find out [OH-], but with Kb, [ B ]0 and [OH-] instead of the values used in the formula for acids in the book as follows

K_b = \dfrac{[OH^-]^2 - K_w}{[ B ]_0 - \dfrac{[OH^-]_0^2 - K_w}{[OH^-]_0}}

, and got the right answer. I suppose I could have derived the formula for bases myself by applying mass-, charge- and other conservation laws, just like the iteration formula for acids([H+]) was derived. Still, this conversation helped my thinking, so thanks for that.
 
I'm getting pH 7.2 as near as makes no difference., with a square rooting but no polynomial equations

[OH-] - [H+] = [Na+] - [NO2-] = [HNO2] = [H+][NO2-] /Ka

I then make the approximation [NO2-] = [Na+] which, since we have salt of strong base and weak acid and we must be above pH 7 is good to better than 1/1000, and thence get, as the numbers happen to be easy

[HNO2] = (3/2) [H+]]

and thence from first line

(5/2) [H+] = [OH-]

and thence via the Kw equation [H+] = 0.4×10-7 and square-rooting etc. finally pH = 7.1989 insignificantly different from 7.2.

I hope you can see these are fairly natural steps.
 
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