What is the probability of getting two red balls from box II?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of drawing two red balls from box II after transferring a ball from box I to box II. The scenario involves conditional probabilities based on the color of the ball drawn from box I and the subsequent draws from box II. The conversation includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical calculations.

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  • One participant states the initial probabilities for drawing from box I and box II, suggesting a method to calculate the overall probability.
  • Another participant proposes a combined probability approach, considering both scenarios of drawing a red or white ball from box I and then drawing two red balls from box II.
  • A participant calculates the probability of drawing two red balls from box II after drawing a red ball from box I, arriving at a specific value.
  • Subsequent calculations are presented for the scenario where a white ball is drawn from box I, leading to another probability value.
  • Participants discuss the addition of probabilities for mutually exclusive events, confirming that they should be summed to find the total probability of drawing two red balls from box II.
  • Final calculations are shared, with participants arriving at the same probability result for drawing two red balls from box II.

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Participants generally agree on the method of calculating the probabilities and arrive at the same final result. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the intermediate steps and the correct application of probability rules.

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Some calculations may depend on the correct interpretation of conditional probabilities and the assumptions made about the transfer of balls between boxes. The discussion does not resolve all potential ambiguities in the probability calculations.

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There are two boxes. Box I contains 5 red balls and 4 white balls. Box II contains 3 red balls and 6 white balls. A ball is taken randomly from box I and put into box II. Then, from box II, two balls are taken randomly. What is the probability of both balls taken from box II are red?

I only know that the probability of getting red ball from box I is $$\frac{1}{9}$$. How to do the rest?
 
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I'm thinking we need to find the probability that a red ball is selected from box I AND then 2 red ball are selected from box II OR a white ball is selected from box I AND then 2 red balls are selected from box II. Let's look at the first event. The probability that a red ball is selected from box I is equal to ratio of the number of red balls to the toal number of balls:

$$P(\text{red ball from box I})=\frac{5}{9}$$

Okay, now in box II we have 4 red ball and 6 white balls. So, the probability of drawing 2 red balls is:

$$P(\text{2 red balls from box II})=\frac{4}{10}\cdot\frac{3}{9}=\frac{2}{15}$$

And so the probability of both sub-events happening is:

$$P(\text{red ball from box I AND 2 red balls from box II})=\frac{5}{9}\cdot\frac{2}{15}=\frac{2}{27}$$

Can you compute the probability that a white ball is selected from box I AND then 2 red balls are selected from box II?
 
$$\frac{4}{9}\cdot\frac{3}{10}\cdot\frac{2}{9}$$
 
Okay, after we reduce we have:

$$P(\text{white ball from box I AND 2 red balls from box II})=\frac{4}{135}$$

And recall we found:

$$P(\text{red ball from box I AND 2 red balls from box II})=\frac{2}{27}$$

So, what do you suppose we should do with these two probabilities?
 
Add?
 
Monoxdifly said:
Add?

Yes, with "OR" we add...so what do you get?
 
In case you've taken a white from the 1st box - 5/9 x (3/10 x 2/9)
In case you've taken a red from the 1st box - 5/9 x (4/10 x 3/9)
 
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MarkFL said:
Yes, with "OR" we add...so what do you get?

$$\frac{14}{135}$$
 
Monoxdifly said:
$$\frac{14}{135}$$

Yes, that's what I got as well. :D
 

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