What is the relationship between atomic structure and molecular orbital theory?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between atomic structure and molecular orbital theory (MOT), focusing on the concepts of bonding and antibonding orbitals, as well as the foundational knowledge required to understand these theories. Participants explore introductory explanations, seek clarification on specific terms, and discuss the prerequisites for studying advanced quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek explanations of molecular orbitals and their relationship to atomic orbitals, noting differences between valence bond theory (VBT) and MOT.
  • One participant explains that in MOT, valence electrons are associated with all nuclei in a molecule, leading to the formation of molecular orbitals from atomic orbitals.
  • There is a request for clarification on antibonding orbitals, with a subsequent explanation that describes how overlapping s orbitals can lead to either bonding or antibonding interactions based on the phase of their wave functions.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about how others acquire knowledge in quantum mechanics and seeks advice on advancing their understanding.
  • A participant mentions their preparation for IIT and the importance of foundational knowledge in waves, thermodynamics, and mechanics before tackling advanced theories.

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The discussion does not reach a consensus, as participants express varying levels of understanding and seek different types of information regarding molecular orbital theory and its prerequisites.

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Some participants indicate that a solid grasp of basic mechanics and thermodynamics is essential before delving into advanced quantum mechanics, suggesting a potential limitation in the discussion for those not yet familiar with these foundational concepts.

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This discussion may be useful for high school students preparing for advanced studies in chemistry and physics, particularly those interested in molecular orbital theory and its applications.

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Plzz explain me molecular orbital& relation beetween atomic
 
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Have you tried Wikipedia. Do you have NCERT texbook for class 11? They explain it properly. As an introduction,
"In VBt, the atomic orbitals are thought to remain even after bond formation. But in MOT, the valence electrons are considered to be associated with all the nuclei in the molecule. Hence orbitals of different atoms combine to form molecular orbitals"
 
But i don't understand antibondig orbital.
 
For simplicity, take s orbitals.
when two s orbitals A and B overlap, you have two cases. Either their wave functions have same sign or they have opposite signs.
when they have opposite signs, the waves are out of phase, hence destructive interference takes place and hence there is no electron density at the part where they tried to overlap, that is between their nuclei. This is called anti-bonding.
$$\psi_u=N(\psi_A-\psi_B) $$
 
But how do u know all that things
Plzz say
In this forum how people get a lot of knowledge.
pleasez say me how to get advance knowledge in quantum machenics
 
I am in 12th standard and I got this information by reading books. I am preparing for IIT, so I have to learn these concepts. In this forums, people like greg and others might have PhDs and are very experienced. You ask them their secret. I still have a long way to go.
 
Before going to advanced theories, you have to learn about waves and thermodynamics. You should also be comfartable with basic mechanics like conservation of momentum and energy, torque, angular momentum and this happens only after you complete 12th grade. Thats why we learn advanced theories after 12th. So don't confuse yourselves with quantum mechanics now. You can however go through some articles in PF but get advice from senior members.
 

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