What is the relationship between gravity and dark matter in the universe?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between gravity and dark energy in the universe, addressing questions about the nature of the universe's expansion, the role of dark energy, and the visualization of higher dimensions. The scope includes conceptual exploration and theoretical implications.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the concept of net gravitational effects in the universe, suggesting that if the universe has no center, there may be no overall gravitational influence on objects.
  • One participant argues that dark energy is necessary to explain the high speeds of stars in galaxies, which cannot be accounted for by baryonic matter alone.
  • A participant corrects an earlier typo, clarifying that their original reference was to dark energy rather than dark matter.
  • Another participant mentions that dark energy may operate on both cosmological and smaller scales, introducing the idea of the Big Crunch as a potential outcome for the universe.
  • Discussion includes the complexity of visualizing the shape of the universe, with analogies provided for flat, open, and closed geometries based on general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of dark energy and its role in the universe's expansion. There is no consensus on the nature of the universe's shape or the effects of dark energy.

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Limitations include the complexity of defining dark energy and its effects, as well as the challenges in visualizing higher dimensions and the universe's geometry.

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Hi,

Many astronomers believe that there is no center to the universe.
So where ever you go, you would approximately see same amount of matter (stars galaxies etc) around you. So we can assume that there won't be net
gravitational effect on anybody at all the places in the universe (neglecting local gravitation like the one between Earth and Sun).

1) So why always dark matter is said to be of overcoming gravity when there is no net gravity on any object ?

2) If the universe came from Big Bang then shouldn't it have a boundary ?
Boundary came to my mind because a Bang will always push the matter outwards and my visualization clearly shows a boundary to the expansion of matter from a single point ?

3) Many believe that we are in 3D space on a 4D platform. How can we visualize this ?. I can easily vizualize time as fourth dimension because
gravity wraps space but I can't visualize a directional fourth dimension like
X, Y and Z. Please help me to Vizualize the shape of the universe.

Thanks,
talksabcd
 
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1) So why always dark matter is said to be of overcoming gravity when there is no net gravity on any object ?
The stars in each galaxy are revolving around the center of the galaxy. Their speed of revolution is too high to be held in place by the baryonic matter of the galaxy. Dark matter is needed to give enough mass for the stars to stay in orbit and not fly off. Astronomers have also noted the same problem in describing clusters of galaxies.
 
Now I have realized that I have put 'Dark Matter' instead of 'Dark Energy'.
Its a typo.. It should be Dark energy.
 
Can someone answer the above questions ?. Please replace Dark Matter with Dark Energy in the above questions listed in the 1st
post of this trail.

Thank You
talksabcd (talks basics)
 
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Feb. 2007 issue of Scientific American has an article which discusses dark energy in great detail. It might help you get the answers you are looking for.
 
In regard to question 1), dark energy does not even have to work on the cosmological scale but on smaller scales too. The Big Crunch is an idea that dark energy will continue to increase overtime until eventually atoms will be ripped apart by it's force. This is however just one of three commonly quoted endings for the Universe.

The shape of space is difficult to describe and is best done so with GR. The universe can be either flat, open or closed in shape. Data suggests we are on a universe that is just closed. It's not really meaningful to talk about geometric shapes, but I believe a useful analogy would be that flat corresponds to a flat sheet, open corresponds to a saddle like shape, and closed corresponds to a spherical like shape. Hope that helps.
 

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