What is the Result of this Partial Derivative

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a specific partial derivative expression, particularly focusing on the expression \(\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial t}\right)\). Participants explore the implications of this differentiation in the context of physics, specifically relating to position and time.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the result of the partial derivative is zero, seeking clarification on the expression's meaning.
  • Others emphasize the need for context, noting that a partial derivative involves changing one variable while keeping others constant, and that the significance of the variables must be clear.
  • A later reply provides context by defining \(x\) as position and \(t\) as time, but questions the meaning of taking a partial derivative with respect to \(t\) in this scenario.
  • One participant interprets the expression as relating to the velocity of a particle along the x-axis, suggesting that the velocity may vary at different positions and leads to a discussion on the velocity gradient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the evaluation of the partial derivative. There are competing interpretations and questions regarding the context and implications of the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of context in understanding the expression, particularly regarding which variables are held constant during differentiation. There is an unresolved discussion about the implications of the partial derivative with respect to time.

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What is the result of this kind of partial differentiation?

\begin{equation*}
\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial t}\right)
\end{equation*}

Is it zero?

Thank you in advance.
 
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ecastro said:
What is the result of this kind of partial differentiation?

\begin{equation*}
\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial t}\right)
\end{equation*}

Is it zero?

Thank you in advance.
Out of context it means nothing. A partial derivative means changing the indicated variable while keeping some other variable(s) constant. Usually it is obvious what those other variables are. In a 3D coordinate system partial wrt one coordinate implies keeping the other two constant.
You need to provide a context for the expression.
 
I apologize for the missing context. For example, ##x## signifies position and ##t## as time.
 
ecastro said:
I apologize for the missing context. For example, ##x## signifies position and ##t## as time.
In that case I assume that partial wrt x means other spatial coordinates are held constant, but what is the significance of the partial wrt to t? What is being held constant there? I.e., why is it not just dx/dt?

Anyway, interpreting it as dx/dt:
Consider some line of particles or elastic thread along the x axis. If we take x as the location of some element at time t, we can ask how quickly it is moving along the x axis: dx/dt. The answer may be different for different points along the line, i.e. at different x values.
We could then ask how rapidly this velocity changes as we look along the line. This is the velocity gradient, ##\frac d{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}##.
 
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