What is the Solution to the Differential Equation dy/dx = (2cos 2x)/(3+2y)?

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation \(\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{2\cos 2x}{3+2y}\). Participants explore various methods for finding the general and particular solutions, including completing the square and using the quadratic formula. The conversation also touches on the implications of the solutions regarding the maximum values of the sine function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant begins by rewriting the differential equation and proposing a solution involving \(y^2 + 3y = \sin(2x) + c\).
  • Another participant suggests using a given point to find the particular solution.
  • A subsequent post calculates a constant \(c\) based on an initial condition.
  • Another participant completes the square to express the solution in a different form, expressing uncertainty about its correctness.
  • One participant mentions a book answer and questions how a specific value was derived.
  • Another participant provides an alternative approach using the quadratic formula to derive the solution, confirming the constant \(c_1\) as \(-2\).
  • Several posts reiterate the derived solution and inquire about the significance of \(x = \dfrac{\pi}{4}\) in relation to the maximum of \(\sin(2x)\).
  • One participant suggests setting the derivative of \(y\) to zero to find critical points, leading to a discussion about the values of \(x\) that yield maximums.

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Participants express differing methods for solving the differential equation, with no consensus on the best approach or the correctness of the derived solutions. Questions remain about the implications of certain values of \(x\) and their relation to the maximum of the sine function.

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Participants rely on various mathematical techniques, and there are unresolved steps in the derivations. The discussion includes assumptions about initial conditions and the behavior of trigonometric functions, which may not be universally applicable.

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it's late so I'll just start this
\[ \dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{2\cos 2x}{3+2y} \]
so \[(3+2y) \, dy= (2\cos 2x) \, dx\]
$y^2 + 3 y= sin(2 x) + c$
 
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You now need to use the given point to get the particular solution, and then answer the rest of the question.
 
(-1)^2 + 3 (-1)= sin(2 (0)) + c
1-3=1+c
-3=c
 
$y^2+3y=\sin 2x -3$
complete square
$y^2+3y+\dfrac{9}{4}=\sin 2x -3+\dfrac{9}{4}=\sin 2x -\dfrac{3}{4}$
$\left(y+\dfrac{3}{2}\right)^2=\sin 2x -\dfrac{3}{4}$
$y=-\dfrac{3}{2}+\sqrt{\sin 2x -\dfrac{3}{4}}$

i don't think this is headed towards the answer!
 
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the book ans is #25

how did they get 1/4
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$\sin(2\cdot 0) = 0 \implies C = -2$
 
Rather than complete the square (which works just fine), you can also use the quadratic formula:

$$y^2+3y-\sin(2x)-c_1=0$$

$$y(x)=\frac{-3\pm\sqrt{9+4(\sin(2x)+c_1)}}{2}$$

Using the given initial value, we find:

$$y(0)=\frac{-3\pm\sqrt{9+4c_1}}{2}=-1$$

$$-3\pm\sqrt{9+4c_1}=-2$$

We find we should take the positive root for \(y\):

$$\sqrt{9+4c_1}=1\implies c_1=-2$$

Hence:

$$y(x)=\frac{-3+\sqrt{9+4(\sin(2x)-2)}}{2}=\frac{-3+\sqrt{4\sin(2x)+1}}{2}$$
 
well that was very helpful
mahalo
 
$$y(x)=\dfrac{-3+\sqrt{9+4(\sin(2x)-2)}}{2}
=\dfrac{-3+\sqrt{4\sin(2x)+1}}{2} =-\dfrac{3}{2}+\sqrt{\sin(2x)+\dfrac{1}{4}}$$

why is $x=\dfrac{\pi}{4}$
 
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karush said:
$$y(x)=\dfrac{-3+\sqrt{9+4(\sin(2x)-2)}}{2}
=\dfrac{-3+\sqrt{4\sin(2x)+1}}{2} =-\dfrac{3}{2}+\sqrt{\sin(2x)+\dfrac{1}{4}}$$

why is $x=\dfrac{\pi}{4}$

what value of x makes sin(2x) a maximum?
 
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Although I am normally an advocate of "completing the square" to find max or min, here I advise setting the derivative of y equal to 0. That becomes especially easy because you are given that [math]\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{2 cos(2x)}{3+ 2y}[/math].

Setting that equal to 0 we immediately have 2 cos(2x)= 0. cos(a)= 0 for a any odd multiple of [math]\frac{\pi}{2}[/math] so [math]x= \frac{(2n+1)\pi}{4}[/math]. Check the actual values of y for [mATH]x= \frac{\pi}{4}[/math], [math]x= -\frac{\pi}{4}[/math], [math]x= \frac{3\pi}{4}[/math], etc. to determine the actual global maximum.
 
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skeeter said:
what value of x makes sin(2x) a maximum?
ok I see. $2(\pi/4)=\pi/2$
 

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