What is the source of the mysterious red rectangle in space?

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The discussion revolves around the mysterious red rectangle observed in space, specifically focusing on its appearance in images captured by telescopes. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding the source of this phenomenon, including the effects of telescope aperture shapes and the nature of the nebula itself. The conversation includes technical explanations and speculative reasoning about the underlying astrophysical processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the rectangularity of the nebula could be influenced by the shape of the telescope's aperture, with rectangular apertures producing rectangular streaks.
  • Others argue that the nebula's rectangular appearance is due to its orientation and the emission of cone-shaped gas clouds from the star, as stated by NASA.
  • There is a contention regarding the nature of diffraction spikes, with some asserting that these spikes are related to the aperture shape, while others maintain they are independent of it.
  • One participant mentions the unpredictability of natural phenomena, drawing a parallel to the unexpected hexagonal formation at Saturn's north pole.
  • Another participant references ongoing discussions about "Extended Red Emission" and unusual molecular clusters as potential explanations for the red glow associated with the rectangle.

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Participants express differing views on the cause of the rectangular appearance, with no consensus reached regarding the influence of aperture shape versus the nebula's intrinsic properties. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing hypotheses presented.

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Participants reference various sources and examples to support their claims, but the discussion includes uncertainties about the mechanisms at play and the interpretations of observational data.

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How charming!

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(Photo: ESA/Hubble and NASA)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/sciencefair/2016/04/08/star-red-rectangle-nasa-hubble/82796522/
 
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If I had to guess, I would say at least some of the "rectangularity" in the image is likely due to the shape of the aperture on the telescope looking at it. Rectangular irises make rectangular streaks, and hexagonal irises make hexagonal streaks. The nebula is definitely more rectangular than what could be explained by aperture effects, which is pretty darn cool.

See for example this Hubble photo of Sirius
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(Source: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2005/36/image/a/format/large_web/)

Here, the star is round, but there are well-defined streaks at 90 degree angles. These streaks are purely due to aperture effects.

Pretty, though :)
 
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I don't think i has anything to do with the aperture shape. From the photo's source:

The reason for its rectangular appearance is because we're seeing the nebula from an unusual angle. The star is likely shooting out cone-shaped gas clouds, which to us seem to form a rectangle, NASA said.

Besides, most telescopes have round apertures. I don't think I've ever seen one without a round aperture.

jfizzix said:
Here, the star is round, but there are well-defined streaks at 90 degree angles. These streaks are purely due to aperture effects.

Those spikes are diffraction spikes, which have little to do with the shape of the aperture as far as I know.
 
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Drakkith said:
Those spikes are diffraction spikes, which have little to do with the shape of the aperture as far as I know.

Those spikes wouldn't be at 90 degree angles unless the light was passing though a rectangular aperture/iris.
 
jfizzix said:
Those spikes wouldn't be at 90 degree angles unless the light was passing though a rectangular aperture/iris.

Sure they will. Take a look at the following picture.
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The aperture with four spider vanes has cross-shaped diffraction spikes.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_spike
 
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I stand corrected.
 
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I don't think anything was wrong with apparatus, nature just does interesting things which are not predictable.
Nobody expected a hexagon formation on the north pole of Saturn, but there it is.
 
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rootone said:
I don't think anything was wrong with apparatus, nature just does interesting things which are not predictable.
Nobody expected a hexagon formation on the north pole of Saturn, but there it is.
Yes, this is how I think about it, too. I certainly wouldn't rush to bet the farm on the first explanation offered by a journalist. For me, the endless beauty, variety and novelty of the universe is enough to make me feel loved, charmed and amused.
 
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- "Strange activity at the molecular level"

- A red glow, "Extended Red Emission (conveniently ERE for short) has been known but inexplicable for more than 30 years".

- "Unusual clusters of PAHs that are charged and highly reactive but, at the same time, have a stable, closed-shell electron configuration"

These are the explanation now on offer by writers at space.com.

http://www.space.com/3658-mystery-red-space-glow-solved.html
http://www.space.com/32655-mysterious-red-rectangle-hubble-telescope-sharpest-image.html
 

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